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#1 rooster77

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 03:44 PM

Im not sure about this. But Im thinking this is prewar due to the lack of Triangular wire and the lack of XXX in the upper part of the shield.

What do you all think?

Thank you. I picked this up from a guy in England.

Thanks all!

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 03:45 PM

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 04:33 PM

I've seen examples of the horizonal lines at the top of the shield, but never this pristine.

That raises a red flag for me, it's almost too nice.  PLease let me know the seller's name

or eBay handle.  There are two fakers in England that Iam aware of.

 

Lemme know,

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 05:19 PM

I've seen examples of the horizonal lines at the top of the shield, but never this pristine.

That raises a red flag for me, it's almost too nice.  PLease let me know the seller's name

or eBay handle.  There are two fakers in England that Iam aware of.

 

Lemme know,

Owen Miller

You know I am sure they could be fake. They were advertised as "unissued"

and the price was too good to be true as well. But,

They look real to my eye. Of course my eyes are a novice level looking at wings.

The guy had a pair that looked like your typical ww2 wing off a navy jacket.

He wanted considerably more for those. He said he didnt have a lot into them and they were IMHO

comparatively to the tarnished pair, cheap.

Another thing I cant figure is why anyone would go to the trouble to make such a good copy,

And let it go so cheap?

Ive seen some fakes that come from the UK on Ebay... but thats not where I picked this up.



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Posted 04 September 2018 - 06:01 PM

Here is a better shot of it.

The fakes Ive seen on Ebay from the UK really jump out to the eye as being fakes.

This pair...... I dont know?

They jumped out at me like they are genuine.

Its a conundrum.

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Posted 10 September 2018 - 07:42 AM

Anybody have any thoughts on this one? 

Anyone? Buehler?  :D Buehler?



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Posted 14 September 2018 - 11:32 AM

It is a very nice wing, but I'm not sure it is actually pre-war.  It is so hard to really know with bullion wings, even with photographic evidence.

My advice if you are going to collect bullion is to look at each piece as a little bit of artwork.  The detail and workmanship should guide you as to whether or not to buy (in my opinion). There are some very good threads on bullion wings on this forum.

 

It isn't a fake, but I would probably say it is from WWII-KW time period.  Really nice wing.



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Posted 14 September 2018 - 11:54 AM

It doesnt have that "pre-war" look to me. I have 4 on uniforms and this one looks too new.
 
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 12:05 PM

These 4 are guaranteed to be pre WWII

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 12:06 PM

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 12:17 PM

The biggest difference is the way the small feathers in the wings are done on the 4 I posted as compared to the other one. On the 4 I have its fairly consistent. The same is true of the lower half of the shield.
 
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 12:42 PM

Those are really nice wings, and I assume they are on dated uniforms?



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Posted 14 September 2018 - 01:33 PM

Those are really nice wings, and I assume they are on dated uniforms?

 

Thanks! Yes, 2 from 1937, 1 from 1940 and 1 from 1941.

 

The large wing on a black background on the Aviation Green uniform is named to an Aviation Cadet who died in 1937.  Back in the 30's Naval Aviators held the rank of Aviation Cadet in the fleet before they became Ensigns. 

 

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 05:37 PM

I see what you mean by the small feathers... Nice wings! 




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