custer1 Posted August 4, 2018 Share #1 Posted August 4, 2018 Hello All, I request input, assistance, thoughts on this "group" I recently acquired. Please see photos. I believe I have him correctly identified via Ancestry & Fold 3 searches. His BIRLS Death File indicates first enlistment as 4 Apr 1944 and Release Date 3 Feb 1946. Problem is that I can only find four USN Muster Rolls which cover Dec 45 to 1 Feb 1946. Where are/how can I access the 1944 and 1945 USN Muster rolls? I sure would like to confirm that he "earned" the Aircrew Badges in this group. Following is some basic info that I have compiled. Thoughts and suggestions are welcomed. His Navy Service Number (on the dog tag) is 837-14-91. Fred Schilling in the U.S., Department of Veterans Affairs BIRLS Death File, 1850-2010Name: Fred SchillingGender: MaleBirth Date: 14 Oct 1917Death Date: 2 Aug 1978SSN: 142099222Branch 1: NAVYEnlistment Date 1: 4 Apr 1944Release Date 1: 3 Feb 1946 Fred Vincent Schilling in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007Name: Fred Vincent Schilling[Fred Schilling]Gender: MaleRace: WhiteBirth Date: 14 Oct 1917Birth Place: Monroe, New YorkDeath Date: Aug 1978 (obit is in the Detroit Free Press 4 Aug 1978)Father: Fred A SchillingMother: Mary C HerlihySSN: Notes: Jan 1937: Name listed as FRED VINCENT SCHILLING; 29 Dec 1987: Name listed as FRED SCHILLING From the earliest Muster Roll on Ancestry: Frederick Vincent Schilling in the U.S. World War II Navy Muster Rolls, 1938-1949Report of Changes – USS Princeton CV-37; for month ended 1 Jan 1946Name: Frederick Vincent SchillingShip, Station or Activity: PrincetonShip Number or Designation: CV-37Muster Date: 1 Jan 1946SN: 837 14 91; Rating at Date of last report: S1c (AMM)Branch of Service: USN-I (US Regular Navy -Inductee); REC’D 12-14-45; rec’d from: CASU-22 (Carrier Air Service Unit 22) Would a guy with a AMM (Aviation Machinist's Mate) rate be "eligible" for an Aircrew Badge? Looking forward to hearing thoughts on if this is a legit or "put together group". I am suspecting the latter. Regards, JimB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custer1 Posted August 4, 2018 Author Share #2 Posted August 4, 2018 better photo of the dog tag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sigsaye Posted August 5, 2018 Share #4 Posted August 5, 2018 Yes, pretty much, mist Aviation rates were eligible to serve as air crew AMM, ARM, AOM were the most common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadet Posted August 5, 2018 Share #5 Posted August 5, 2018 The best way to confirm his service is to request his record from NARA. Navy and USMC records are completely intact and always offer a wealth of info. Also keep in mind that for the most part WWII Navy muster reports only contain info reported by ships. Aviation squadrons were considered their own separate units, even when embarked on a carrier. Squadrons are not typically reflected in the reports though. The fact that you can't find him in the muster reports may actually be a good sign that he was an air crewman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garandomatic Posted August 5, 2018 Share #6 Posted August 5, 2018 And don't forget all the squadrons that flew non- carrier aircraft. Seaplanes, the navy versions of the B25 and B24, etc. One of me best seaplane guys only showed up as a passenger on a seaplane tender for his trip into the pacific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custer1 Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share #7 Posted August 5, 2018 A great thanks to Sigsaye, Kadet, and Garandomatic for the insightful observations and advice. Kadet, per your suggestion "The best way to confirm his service is to request his record from NARA," do you mean NARA/NPRC in St Louis or NARA College Park MD? Thanks again, JimB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadet Posted August 5, 2018 Share #8 Posted August 5, 2018 JimB....NARA/NPRC in St. Louis. I strongly recommend using Golden Arrow, or one of the other paid services. Slightly more expensive, but much easier and faster. Additionally, many WWII Navy and USMC records have portrait photographs associated with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custer1 Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share #9 Posted August 5, 2018 JimB....NARA/NPRC in St. Louis. I strongly recommend using Golden Arrow, or one of the other paid services. Slightly more expensive, but much easier and faster. Additionally, many WWII Navy and USMC records have portrait photographs associated with them. Thanks. That is what I figured you meant. JimB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadet Posted August 5, 2018 Share #10 Posted August 5, 2018 Be prepared for the expense though. Navy and USMC records typically run around $70 because of their size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custer1 Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share #11 Posted August 6, 2018 Roger that. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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