Officer's Service Coat c. 1907-1911

[jiro90]

Ive had many WWI uniforms, but one with a turned down collar. Anyone familiar with this?

Thank you

[jiro90]

Makers tag

[jiro90]

Here is the pic

[TreasureHunter]

May just be the way the manufacturer styled their uniforms, below is a photo of same thing, 1916.

 

Bill

 

[atb]

The officer's coat and the enlisted man's coat in the image are examples of the earlier pattern Army service coat, the pattern 1902, I think. The falling collar was replaced by the standing collar on the 1911 pattern coats. In fact the Signal Corps you show coat could be an enlisted man's coat if worn before the introduction of collar discs for enlisted men.

[jiro90]

Thank you for the responses. The coat has the officer stripe down toward the sleeve cuff.

[KurtA]

The officer's coat and the enlisted man's coat in the image are examples of the earlier pattern Army service coat, the pattern 1902, I think. The falling collar was replaced by the standing collar on the 1911 pattern coats. In fact the Signal Corps you show coat could be an enlisted man's coat if worn before the introduction of collar discs for enlisted men.

 

In addition, these earlier style coats have rimless buttons (as shown in the photos). The later standing collar coats (i.e., WW1 type) have rims on the buttons.

[world war I nerd]

Between 1903 and 1911 the U.S. Army's olive drab wool service coat for officers/ and enlisted men was revised five times. Four of the five patterns adopted were manufactured with turned down collars. They were:

 

1903 Olive Drab Woolen Service Coat, Specification No. 609, adopted on April 14, 1903

1904 Olive Drab Woolen Service Coat, Specification No. 700, adopted on September 26, 1904

1907 Olive Drab Woolen Service Coat, Specification No. 879, adopted on June 24, 1907

1909 Olive Drab Woolen Service Coat, Specification No. 1049, adopted on November 3, 1909

 

The fifth pattern adopted was the first of several, which were manufactured with a "standing" collar. The first of the stand collar service coats was:

 

1911 Olive Drab Woolen Service Coat, Specification No. 1125, adopted on August 15, 1911

 

 

These men, hailing from the 23rd Infantry Regiment, New York National Guard, are all wearing the 1903 Olive Drab Woolen Service Coat.

 

The 1903 Service Coat is easily identified by its patch pockets, two of which have pleats (the breast pockets), the "rolling collar" and the pointed cuff on each sleeve. It was the only one of the four service coat patterns with turned down collars to have pleated pockets.

[world war I nerd]

The 1904 Olive Drab Woolen Service Coat differed from its predecessor by having "choke bellows pockets" rather than "patch pockets".

 

This image depicting members of the New York National Guard shows then wearing 1903 (with pocket pleats) and 1904 pattern (without pocket pleats) Olive Drab Woolen Service Coats. The difference between the early sewn down patch pocket and the new choke bellows, cargo style pocket is plainly visible.

[world war I nerd]

The 1907 Olive Drab Woolen Service Coat differed from the 1904 pattern by having a new "standing rolling collar", which was slightly taller than the old rolling collar. The new standing rolling collar also had a collar tab sewn onto the left side that concealed the gap between the right and left hand sides of the collar when it was buttoned.

 

Compare the height of the standing rolling collar on this 1907 Service Coat to the height of the 1903 and 1904 rolling collars shown in the above post.

[jiro90]

Thank you. Here is a pic of the uniform. The US insignia is sewn in while the signal corps

Insignia is pinned.

[world war I nerd]

The 1909 Olive Drab Woolen Service Coat differed from its predecessor by having two eyelets added on each side of its standing rolling collar to accept the recently adopted round collar discs - two of which were worn on each collar point until 1911.

 

The 1909 Service Coat, complete with four collar discs is worn by this enlisted man from the 4th Infantry Regiment.

[world war I nerd]

In 1911 the U.S. Army service coat was completely overhauled in order to reduce its cost. Patch pockets replaced the choke bellows style pockets; the old style pointed cuffs were swapped for an imitation cuff created by encircling each cuff with two rows of stitching to create the illusion of a cuff; and the standing rolling collar was abolished and replaced by a "standing collar" which had only two eyelets, one on each side, to accept the threaded post of the regulation collar discs which went into Army-wide circulation in 1910.

 

In this photo taken in Hawaii in 1913, both the 1909 and the 1911 (or possibly the 1912) pattern service coats are being worn by these off-duty servicemen enjoying a cold Premo brand beer. Note that only one, rather than two, collar discs are being worn on the collars of the 1909 Service Coat.

 

The 1911 Service Coat would be modified several times beginning in 1912, three times in 1917, and then again in 1918, until the standing collar went out of style during the 1920's.

[world war I nerd]

By the way, jiro90 nice coat. early officer's coats are tough to find.

 

Based on the collar, your coat looks to be of the 1904 style.

 

Unless it's dated, we can only estimate that your coat was made as early as September of 1904 or as late as the first half of 1907.

[jiro90]

Thank you very much. I could not find any dates.