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#1 HelmetguyCT

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Posted 07 June 2018 - 10:00 AM

Hi guys, I have a n opportunity to purchase something great. I want to cover myself since I am not an expert in unit insignia. 506th Currahee English made DI. Opinions welcome and I have the permission of the seller to post here for opinions. Thanks all!

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#2 HelmetguyCT

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Posted 07 June 2018 - 10:01 AM

Additional photos of the same pin

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#3 Eric Queen

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Posted 07 June 2018 - 10:03 AM

Original. English made



#4 Allan H.

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Posted 07 June 2018 - 10:47 AM

Agreed! 100% English-made original.

 

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Posted 07 June 2018 - 11:28 AM

I would venture to guess that the pin was replaced at some point.  It looks like it was hand made

 

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#6 Allan H.

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Posted 07 June 2018 - 12:49 PM

The pin is 100% as made by the British manufacturer and is not a replacement.

 

You have an outstanding example of a very desirable unit crest.

 

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Posted 07 June 2018 - 02:58 PM

As others have said, its 100% a British made example of the 506th DUI. I have one of it's brothers and it is a fantastic DUI to have in hand, with beautiful vibrant blue enamel.

 

Mr. Bando describes them on his Trigger Time website as made of stainless steel, which is not the case. They are chrome plated brass. On page 385 of volume 3 of Heroes In Our Midst by the forum's very own Jumping Jack you can see an unfinished raw brass one of these. In that book picture the textured finish of mount Currahee is clearly visible, the same as the texture you can just about see in your second picture and my picture below.

 

Additionally the parachute canopy lines are not black paint as described on Trigger Time, but from close examination of my own badge appear to be more of the blue enamel. However, with the indent of those canopy lines being so shallow, it would seem the enamel doesn't hold to the metal very firmly, hence the lines wearing off. The example you have shown appears to be particularly fine in this respect, with much of the canopy lines enamel still present.

 

The British version seems to be more uncommon than the Austrian version, which come up for offer fairly regularly. Definitely worth getting, even though mine was one of the most expensive DUI I have acquired yet.

 

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Posted 07 June 2018 - 03:01 PM

Rear of my 506th DUI, with the exact same pin.

 

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Posted 07 June 2018 - 08:20 PM

Here are some that I got from a 506th trooper. The one on the right is like the OP but the other two are different.

 

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Posted 07 June 2018 - 11:36 PM

Those other two sterling marked and barrel hinged DUI are the supposed to be the rarest of the 506th DUI variations and probably British made again. Wonderful!

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#11 Allan H.

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Posted 08 June 2018 - 03:19 AM

The one on the left with the sterling mark is a US-made example. These were the first crest purchased by the regiment. My understanding is that only two were issued to each man with no replacements. I was told by veterans that the 506th PIR purchased these with unit funds and they were awarded shortly after the long march from Toccoa down to FT Benning. If Jake Powers is still lurking around here, I believe that he can confirm all of this.

 

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Posted 09 June 2018 - 12:11 PM

The 506 th insigna was approved  22 Aug 1952. It's not a WWII insigna ! (Infantry Régiments of the US Army by James  A.SAWICKI - Wyvern publications 1981 - p 623)


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Posted 09 June 2018 - 01:33 PM

The 506 th insigna was approved  22 Aug 1952. It's not a WWII insigna ! (Infantry Régiments of the US Army by James  A.SAWICKI - Wyvern publications 1981 - p 623)

 

How do you explain all the WW2 era photos picturing it being worn???  Google an image of Major Dick Winters in his Class A uniform and report back your findings.



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Posted 09 June 2018 - 01:44 PM

Those approval dates are the Army getting around to approving specific DUI designs. Coats of arms were approved much earlier and units acquired DUIs on their own very often.

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Posted 09 June 2018 - 04:27 PM

Additionally, the WWII design is different from the one approved/currently worn.

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#16 Allan H.

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Posted 09 June 2018 - 07:30 PM

The 506 th insigna was approved  22 Aug 1952. It's not a WWII insigna ! (Infantry Régiments of the US Army by James  A.SAWICKI - Wyvern publications 1981 - p 623)

 

Here is a color photo of Major Richard Winters wearing the DUI of the 506th PIR in a WWII era photograph. As he is wearing the fouragerre to the Belgian Croix de Guerre, I would estimate that the photo was taken around Christmas 1945. 

 

The Institute of Heraldry changed the unit crest from the one worn during WWII to one that is heraldicly correct so that the image of the crest in basically flipped to be correct. Additionally, the shape of the shield was changed to make it correct for a heraldic warrior's shield. 

 

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 07:29 AM

 

Here is a color photo of Major Richard Winters wearing the DUI of the 506th PIR in a WWII era photograph.  I would estimate that the photo was taken around Christmas 1945. 

 

 

 

Allan

 

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I recall reading he had this portrait taken in Lancaster Co, Pa very soon after returning home.  (not that it matters, but just thought I'd mention it)

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 08:16 AM

Kurt,

 

It is great that you would provide that detail. I think we can pretty easily confirm that it was taken well before 1952...

 

Here is the image of the current version of the 506th's unit crest.

 

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 02:58 PM

And a side by side comparison between the WWII version and the TIOH approved version.

 

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 03:49 PM

I have come across the heraldic crest but never the ww2 version until now

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 12:14 PM

Please, what means TIOH VERSION ?



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Posted 11 June 2018 - 12:18 PM

The Institute of Heraldry.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 12:21 PM

Here is a British pair on an untouched uniform I bought from the Veteran who wore it. One of my favorite uniforms. CIB is sterling pinback. Hope you like it. Pony.

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#24 Gavin D.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 03:26 PM

Very nice uniform



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 03:17 AM

ponyradish the DUI on your gorgeous uniform are the Austrian / German made version from the 506th occupation period. You can tell because they are made from silver and tarnished, unlike the British made ones, which being chromed don't tarnish.

 

Other little features of your DUI also differ from the British ones if you look closely, in particular the canopy lines are silver with the space between enamel filled - which is the reverse on the British version (see pics of mine). The biggest difference is the style of pin on the back, which is a wire pin with integral loop catch for the pin end - but I wouldn't mess with your amazing Ike to bother checking it out!

 

You can see the back of a German / Austrian made 506th DUI in the pictures in this forum thread - http://www.usmilitar...th#entry2026908


Edited by Glidertrooper, 12 June 2018 - 03:25 AM.



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