55rocker52 Posted May 14, 2018 Share #1 Posted May 14, 2018 Hello Again, I have had these two collar discs, and have not been able to find out if they are military, ROTC, or what? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have two images to view. The smaller one was made by The Whitehead & Hoag Co. Newark, NJ. Thanks, Kent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usa1918 Posted May 14, 2018 Share #2 Posted May 14, 2018 Kent, Can’t help with the first, but the 2nd disk is for Cornell University Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55rocker52 Posted May 14, 2018 Author Share #3 Posted May 14, 2018 Great, Thanks Keith. So, would it be for their ROTC program? Kent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VolunteerArmoury Posted May 14, 2018 Share #4 Posted May 14, 2018 Couldve been their cadet corps. Cornell was a Landgrant institution so they wouldve had a Cadet Corps. Im not sure if ROTC was required for all four years or when they adopted the disks. They may've adopted them before ROTC came about in 1916 but not sure there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55rocker52 Posted May 14, 2018 Author Share #5 Posted May 14, 2018 Thanks Chad, I will have to look further into your insight on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakkasan187 Posted May 14, 2018 Share #6 Posted May 14, 2018 Kent, What is the makers mark on the back of the HDL? I have been searching thinking this might be some type of Home Defense League (British??) or Home Defense Legion.. The symbols on the disk look like Italian facines... Will continue to search... Sorry I just reread and saw who the maker was for the smaller pin.. Leigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VolunteerArmoury Posted May 14, 2018 Share #7 Posted May 14, 2018 Ill have to dig some in case my memories arent on point right now but in the 19th century the Morrill Land-Grant Acts were enacted. Part of that were military programs which many institutions then established Cadet Corps programs. Many used cadet uniforms like USMA but with the National Defense Act of 1916 established the ROTC programs & several adopted U.S. Army style uniforms. I dont personally know much about the uniforms of Cornell which it was one of the few private institutions under the Morrill Land-Grant Acts. They may've adopted a Federal style uniform & hence the disks before the National Defense Act but I dont know. My guess is that it wouldve been post 1916. Also, Im not sure if everyone was required ROTC courses or only those pursuing a commission. My suspension on that would be everyone had the basic ROTC courses regardless of their professional aspirations. A lot of the big schools especially in the south were Land Grants & had cadet corps such as University of Tennessee, Georgia, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VolunteerArmoury Posted May 14, 2018 Share #8 Posted May 14, 2018 Kent, What is the makers mark on the back of the HDL? I have been searching thinking this might be some type of Home Defense League (British??) or Home Defense Legion.. The symbols on the disk look like Italian facines... Will continue to search... Leigh Can you think of any predominantly Italian towns or cities that the name begins with a H? Considering your idea about the fasces & Italy I thought perhaps it may be an Italian area such as H_____ Defense League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakkasan187 Posted May 14, 2018 Share #9 Posted May 14, 2018 Chad, As a matter of fact yes, I know of at least 12 towns in Italy that start with the letter H.., Here are 6 Haenna in the region of Sicily Hafling in the region of Trentino Hasta Pompei in the region of Piemonte Hermada in the region of Lazio Hydruntum in the region Puglia Hyerocarves in the region of Calabria Leigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VolunteerArmoury Posted May 14, 2018 Share #10 Posted May 14, 2018 Chad, As a matter of fact yes, I know of at least 12 towns in Italy that start with the letter H.., Here are 6 Haenna in the region of Sicily Hafling in the region of Trentino Hasta Pompei in the region of Piemonte Hermada in the region of Lazio Hydruntum in the region Puglia Hyerocarves in the region of Calabria Leigh Im sorry. I shouldnt specified Italian towns in the United States. I was thinking perhaps it may be an Italian immigrant region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakkasan187 Posted May 14, 2018 Share #11 Posted May 14, 2018 It is a very interesting pin to say the least. We have been sitting here at the museum trying to come up with some possibilities.. Can't seem to find anything that will connect.. Even tried looking at the Whitehead and Hoag manufactured insignia but can't seem to find a similar insignia.. Just can't seem to figure out what the symbols are above and below the letters, at first glance they looked like fascines...but maybe this is not the right direction to look in... so now we shift to other possibilities.. Will continue to research Leigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikie Posted May 14, 2018 Share #12 Posted May 14, 2018 I love a good mystery. From what I can tell, the Fascist party in Italy was not started until 1915 and did not become a serious force until 1919. And came to power in 1922. So not sure if this disk is related to Italy at all. There are in fact fascist symbols in the US House of Representatives that nothing to do with Italy or Mussolini. Mikie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55rocker52 Posted May 14, 2018 Author Share #13 Posted May 14, 2018 Hey Guys, Thanks for all of your insight on both of these discs. The HDL disc was made by Whitehead & Hoag. I have dealt in a lot of Whitehead & Hoag pins, badges, medals, etc. in the past, but never like this one. I honestly don't think that they would have made anything for Italy at the time. I believe it looks more Government related, and it has the stippled dots in the background like WWI discs. The Home Defense League, might be a possibility. I will look into that one further. Thanks Again, Kent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VolunteerArmoury Posted May 14, 2018 Share #14 Posted May 14, 2018 I wasnt meaning for Italy but since the facses were pointed out & the often Italian connection I was making a guess about a defense league for a town somewhere here in the States that were predominantly Italian & began with a H but thats just a shot in the dark for me. That was not an educated guess on my part but just throwing a dart with my eyes closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakkasan187 Posted May 15, 2018 Share #15 Posted May 15, 2018 Chad, Me too with the Italian connection that I was only thinking out loud.. on some possibilities.. I have looked in several collar disc books but have found nothing.. I think Kent is onto something with the Government connection.. Will continue to try to assist Leigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikie Posted May 15, 2018 Share #16 Posted May 15, 2018 No harm in guessing. It's all part of the fun with stuff like this. Mikie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VolunteerArmoury Posted May 15, 2018 Share #17 Posted May 15, 2018 Sometimes the guess is point on. Sometimes way off too. Ive almost forty years collecting & love & hate that I dont know all. To me the fun is always a good chance of learning something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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