BILL THE PATCH Posted April 11, 2018 Share #1 Posted April 11, 2018 Picked these up today, has black leather sheath's, anyone know time frame? Are the Vietnam era? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL THE PATCH Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share #2 Posted April 11, 2018 Seems to be identical scratch marks where handle meets blade on both knives. Reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactroop Posted April 11, 2018 Share #3 Posted April 11, 2018 Utica around 1962. Don't know how long or how many they made total. Camillus 1962- early 1974 when they dropped the "N.Y." from the stamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw517 Posted April 11, 2018 Share #4 Posted April 11, 2018 Very nice and Vietnam! That Utica is a RARE knife!! Congrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL THE PATCH Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share #5 Posted April 11, 2018 Really, how rare? What would you consider a good price for one? Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa Posted April 11, 2018 Share #6 Posted April 11, 2018 nam----------- no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorin6 Posted April 12, 2018 Share #7 Posted April 12, 2018 The knives might have come from the same unit that had scratch some sort of identifying mark at the same place on both. When either released or "liberated" the markings were obliterated. The sheath for the Utica is not the original sheath; it was a tan color that even with age, wouldn't look black. Also, the original sheath had nine rivets, not seven. Here's mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRE66 Posted April 12, 2018 Share #8 Posted April 12, 2018 The knives might have come from the same unit that had scratch some sort of identifying mark at the same place on both. When either released or "liberated" the markings were obliterated. The sheath for the Utica is not the original sheath; it was a tan color that even with age, wouldn't look black. Also, the original sheath had nine rivets, not seven. Here's mine. Didn't Utica have two contracts for this knife, the second contract with treated handle and 7 rivet sheath per Sactroop's post below? http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=1015489 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw517 Posted April 12, 2018 Share #9 Posted April 12, 2018 Really, how rare? What would you consider a good price for one? Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk Just how "rare" I don't know but try to buy another one and let me know how it goes. They don't show up on EBay often at all! The Camillus should have a red/brown color sheath so I don't think it's correct either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw517 Posted April 12, 2018 Share #10 Posted April 12, 2018 Whether you call them "scarce or rare" is your business but they are VERY desireable! Utica also made a M-5. Try to find one. It's not easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL THE PATCH Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share #11 Posted April 12, 2018 I want to thank everyone for clarifying some points. I'm not into collecting fighting knives , but I might be now. This week alone I've picked up a M-3 second model with scabbard. Now these two. I'm starting to like these things. Is there one book that covers a variety of fighting knives? To learn. I'm feeling addicted already. Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorin6 Posted April 12, 2018 Share #12 Posted April 12, 2018 Didn't Utica have two contracts for this knife, the second contract with treated handle and 7 rivet sheath per Sactroop's post below? http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=1015489 I'd forgotten that the second contract had a dark red sheath with seven rivets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactroop Posted April 12, 2018 Share #13 Posted April 12, 2018 The Utica's don't show up as much as the Camillus and Connetta's. The first contract Utica was made to the WW2 form including the 9 rivets for the sheath. The darker handles and sheaths are attributed to the addition of fungicide to the leather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted April 12, 2018 Share #14 Posted April 12, 2018 Good info gang! SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lsparks Posted April 12, 2018 Share #15 Posted April 12, 2018 I would not personally call any old GI leather “non-original” based solely on color. Between antifungal treatments, oil application, sweat, use and a penchant for applying black shoe dye at some point in history due to changing regs on acoutrement colors. Case and point...I could show you any number of “blacked” pistol holsters, either entirely blacked or only the front side, but wIth clear WWII dates and manufacture marks...its 100% certain they started life brown or russet, yet now they are black. Characteristics of construction, I can’t argue with. I LOVE the scabbard art on the one blade. Nice pickup! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikedon Posted April 12, 2018 Share #16 Posted April 12, 2018 I want to thank everyone for clarifying some points. I'm not into collecting fighting knives , but I might be now. This week alone I've picked up a M-3 second model with scabbard. Now these two. I'm starting to like these things. Is there one book that covers a variety of fighting knives? To learn. I'm feeling addicted already. Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk I think the best book to start with would be "The Best Of U.S. Military Knives Bayonets & Machetes" by M.H. Cole. Another good one would be "Military Knives A Reference Book" from the pages of Knife World Magazine. Also Frank Trzaska's great website: http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikedon Posted April 12, 2018 Share #17 Posted April 12, 2018 I have found the tan handled Utica in the 9 rivet tan colored sheath the most difficult to find in excellent condition. I don't think I have seen one in years. I got my first one in June 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL THE PATCH Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share #18 Posted April 12, 2018 The person I got these from said that's the person's last name. It reads T. Kill. I'm not sure the story's true, I got from an antique dealer who got it from the son of a Vietnam vet. Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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