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#26 MattS

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Posted 19 April 2018 - 04:30 PM

My inspiration for this headset, as historically inaccurate as it may be, BG Frank Savage from the TV series "12 O'Clock High". :D

 

 

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Posted 19 April 2018 - 05:07 PM

Excellent!



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Posted 20 April 2018 - 07:01 AM

So this guy is a gunner, not a pilot but his headset is pretty clear.  In the original photo you can read the PL-354 on the plug.

 

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Posted 20 April 2018 - 09:47 AM

Looks like the earlier big ear cups, great photo!

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Posted 20 April 2018 - 01:02 PM

Nice pics and display guys..time the HS33 are getting their time in the sun...

 

Why is he not a pilot?  could be...nothing to really classify him either way...my bad...unless there is something in the original photo...


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Posted 20 April 2018 - 02:15 PM

Could be any position. All the air crew positions used headsets.

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Posted 20 April 2018 - 03:40 PM

True, but I think the original caption identified the man as a gunner with the 99th BG.



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Posted 20 April 2018 - 05:27 PM

I double checked and his primary position was as a radio operator, not just a gunner.  His last name and the last four of his service number are on his Mae West.  The full data stamp is also legible on the Mae West as well.



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Posted 21 April 2018 - 06:00 AM

T/Sgt Joseph F. Aitken, ASN 12164822, 346th BS, 99th BG, born in 1922, enlisted at Newark, New Jersey, on October 29, 1942.

 

https://aad.archives...pg=1&rid=592527

 

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 03:19 AM

I snagged another headset cheap and it came with this cord, which I believe is the one that goes from the HS-33 to the aircraft jack/intercom box? Any help is appreciated!

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 04:05 AM

looks like the extension cord that would go from headset/helmet to interphone control box... a nice cord to have...and now you will need the push to talk switch.... 



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Posted 23 April 2018 - 04:10 AM

looks like the extension cord that would go from headset/helmet to interphone control box... a nice cord to have...and now you will need the push to talk switch.... 

 

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Posted 04 August 2019 - 07:02 PM

I know there was a dicussion on the white foam ear cushion being post war use. I saw this pic and wanted to know what type is this gent on the upper left wearing?

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 03:12 AM

I think those are the chamois lined type (post 25 on here) ear cups. They do contrast with the black rubber. 

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 04:52 AM

I snagged another headset cheap and it came with this cord, which I believe is the one that goes from the HS-33 to the aircraft jack/intercom box? Any help is appreciated!

 

hello,  just noticed now  -    this kind of cord extension is strictly USN, not AAF.  First letter a bit scratched is "N", N.A.F. for Naval Aircraft Factory. 

N.A.F. 215284-2 on this plug, and the radio jack at the other end must necessarily carry "N.A.F. PART N° 1136-1" , being not visible in this photo.
 


Edited by BlueBookGuy, 05 August 2019 - 05:00 AM.


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Posted 05 August 2019 - 05:49 AM

 

hello,  just noticed now  -    this kind of cord extension is strictly USN, not AAF.  First letter a bit scratched is "N", N.A.F. for Naval Aircraft Factory. 

N.A.F. 215284-2 on this plug, and the radio jack at the other end must necessarily carry "N.A.F. PART N° 1136-1" , being not visible in this photo.
 

 

Thanks, that makes sense. Guess I need to get a USN headset now! 



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Posted 05 August 2019 - 05:19 PM



I think those are the chamois lined type (post 25 on here) ear cups. They do contrast with the black rubber. 

That is what I thought. This is a war time picture. So these were worn during the war. Not post war like many suggest.

Here is the full photo with the story/timeframe behind it.

Foam headset hutchs book.jpg

 

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Edited by AZPhil, 05 August 2019 - 05:24 PM.


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Posted 06 August 2019 - 02:53 AM

That's my take on it, but it appears so!



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Posted 06 August 2019 - 05:57 AM

It appears these ear pads were used in a modified form (with microphone attached) in the 1950s in SAC bombers according to this scene from "Strategic Air Command" with Jimmy Stewart and Harry Morgan. I don't know the nomenclature for this set-up. 

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 06:33 AM

That is what I thought. This is a war time picture. So these were worn during the war. Not post war like many suggest.

Here is the full photo with the story/timeframe behind it.

attachicon.gifFoam headset hutchs book.jpg

 

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Phil,

After a closer look at the photo you posted, I would have to disagree. I believe what you are seeing is an HS-33 headset that is using the cushions from an RAF air crew headset. Rather than "white foam", they are kapok filled, chamois covered "doughnuts" that were the inspiration for what the US used later on both flying helmets (A-11, AN-H-15, etc.) and headset cushions. Below is an enlargement from your photo. Note how far the earphones protrude and how much of the "doughnut" is showing, then compare that to the US version to see the difference. Also shown is the RAF aircrew headset without earphones, then one with RAF earphones and cord (and throat mic).

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 06:45 AM

Thanks for posting the RAF version, that's a good comparison with the HS-33.



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Posted 06 August 2019 - 12:54 PM

Also...the large rubber cups in the A-11 and the AN-H-15 were sewn into the flight helmets...there are examples of the HS headsets with earcups designed for the flight helmets, with the raw unsewn material still attached, being used as HS earcups ..that is earcups never having been sewn on to a flight helmet, redirected as headset earcups..

I am not sure if these flight helmet cups were wartime used or postwar use...but seems feasible they were used during wartime  

 

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Edited by phantomfixer, 06 August 2019 - 12:57 PM.


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Posted 06 August 2019 - 04:43 PM

Yes Paul it does look like a RAF headset when you zoom in . It has the same bumps on the side.

 Well I thought I was on to something.

 Thank you for the clarification and the excellent example of the RAF to compare.

 Spot on!

Phantom that is another interesting example of American ingenuity.

 Thanks for that pic.

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Phil


Edited by AZPhil, 06 August 2019 - 04:45 PM.


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Posted 29 October 2019 - 06:45 PM

pararaftanr2

 

Do you think these are the same as the pic you posted above?

 

Headset early British.jpg

Headset early british close up.jpg

 

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Posted 29 October 2019 - 10:03 PM

Phil,

Yes, I'd say so, and the good news is that the typical British bell-shaped plug and fabric covered wiring they would have been made with has been replaced by what looks like rubber covered wiring and a US PL-354 (red) plug. That may possibly indicate they were in use by someone in the USAAF?

Regards, Paul


Edited by pararaftanr2, 29 October 2019 - 10:06 PM.



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