Catfishcraig Posted April 8, 2018 Share #1 Posted April 8, 2018 I picked these up separately. I believe the top is a 1st pattern with vertical button holes and HBT Reinforced snaps. However Ive read contradictory postings on multiple sites about 1st and 2nd pattern P44 trousers. Some say belt loops and 3 pocket snaps before the belt slits and the 4 pocket snaps. Im just wanting to be clear on which pattern I have. Thanks fellow former members! Craig BTW my trousers have been hemmed at the bottom and the draw strings removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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'Flage Guy Posted April 8, 2018 Share #6 Posted April 8, 2018 Although I don't have any recorded documents on this, I say that the Trousers are the 2nd variant of the '44 Suit. The blousers (cuff drawstrings) and belt loops were carried on through in the OD versions which remained until the next major revamping of the Marines' Utilities in the '50s. Also, these variants are largely made of the later fabric printed in the darker shades utilizing the more colorfast dyes, as opposed to the acid-based dyes used in the early HBT 'flage (early '44 at left below, late model at right). This same fabric (what I call "new improved"- strictly my personal reference) was utilized on the post-War Helmet Covers as well. That's just my speculation...hard documents chronicling the evolution of the old Jungle Suits seem to be very tough to dig up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfishcraig Posted April 8, 2018 Author Share #7 Posted April 8, 2018 Thank you flag guy! I read an earlier post in which I think you answered the same question then I saw another posting with the opposite oppinion. It would make sense that the die in the fabric would be the same also I would think the button holes would also be the same. Im thinking these are the 2nd variation as well. Have a good weekend Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Flage Guy Posted April 9, 2018 Share #8 Posted April 9, 2018 Thanks, man...you do the same! Forgot to mention, that's a really decent Suit you got there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnicklfritz Posted May 1, 2018 Share #9 Posted May 1, 2018 My personal opinion is there are actually a P43 version and then the P44 version camo. The P43 version jacket appears to have had 5 buttons on the placket, while the P44 version has 4. Really not much difference between the two other than that I believe. The P43 version of the trousers are the ones with the 4 button scalloped pockets, keyhole buttonholes on the waist and no drawstring on the cuff. The P44 version has the belt loops, 3 button rectangular pocket flap and drawstring cuffs. I believe they just made improvements in the P43 pattern in order to simplify them when being produced. You see the 1st pattern trousers in WW2 photos for the most part. The jackets I believe I have seen both patterns in the limited amount of photos that have been found over the years. Can't really say that I have seen the 3 button trousers in WW2 photos though. Again, just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Flage Guy Posted May 4, 2018 Share #10 Posted May 4, 2018 My personal opinion is there are actually a P43 version and then the P44 version camo. The P43 version jacket appears to have had 5 buttons on the placket, while the P44 version has 4. Really not much difference between the two other than that I believe. The P43 version of the trousers are the ones with the 4 button scalloped pockets, keyhole buttonholes on the waist and no drawstring on the cuff. The P44 version has the belt loops, 3 button rectangular pocket flap and drawstring cuffs. I believe they just made improvements in the P43 pattern in order to simplify them when being produced. You see the 1st pattern trousers in WW2 photos for the most part. The jackets I believe I have seen both patterns in the limited amount of photos that have been found over the years. Can't really say that I have seen the 3 button trousers in WW2 photos though. Again, just my opinion. That echoes my contention as well; makes sense that they would start the revisions in 1943, considering reports received about the open pockets scooping up sand during action, etc. (so I've been told, at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stretchman89 Posted September 12, 2018 Share #11 Posted September 12, 2018 What a great set of camo utility uniforms. Are either of them named? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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