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#1 cerick1450

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 09:36 PM

Hello

 

Is it proper to have M-1944 goggles displayed with a M1938 tanker helmet?  Were they worn during together during the war?  The goggles are dated 1944.  I thought this would be the best forum for this topic.

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#2 3IDGarand

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 09:45 PM

I would say so. A majority of tankers wore them (except the gunner and loader).

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 10:01 PM

Are the goggles Patton is wearing in the right picture Polaroid #1021 goggles?  Not sure about the left.. The M1944 and B-8 both have distinctive appearance from the front, having a rubber button or plug on the top and bottom of the nose area.



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 10:14 PM

I believe they are polaroid goggles ( due to the light color frames). The one on the left is hard to tell, since Patton is looking up. It appears tankers used different kinds of goggles in Europe. In the movie Fury, I think Gordo wears the one that Patton has on the left picture.



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 10:20 PM

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 10:46 PM

the M-1944 goggles are not correct for WWII with the possible exception of some troops in Czechoslovakia at the very end of the war

 

I've looked for original WWII photos of tankers with these goggles and they are non-existant

 

The directors of Fury were told that those goggles were incorrect but they liked the look

 

The Polaroid 1021 goggles are correct as are the Resistal goggles and even sometimes captured German goggles are seen but the M-1944s are simply not correct

 

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 10:22 AM

Thank you



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Posted 07 March 2018 - 10:29 AM

The pic of Patton on the left...looks to be wearing AAF B6 goggles..pre WWII issue

and as far as Hollywood and M38s...I always liked Sahara with Humphrey Bogart

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 10:35 AM

I would go with the polaroids with grey foam rubber frames or the Resistols...both look great displayed on the m38 tanker helmet...mike

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 10:39 AM

Several pictures in the 3rd Armored unit history of the Sky Way goggles being worn as I recall in individual photos.

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 10:41 AM



the M-1944 goggles are not correct for WWII with the possible exception of some troops in Czechoslovakia at the very end of the war

 

I've looked for original WWII photos of tankers with these goggles and they are non-existant

 

The directors of Fury were told that those goggles were incorrect but they liked the look

 

The Polaroid 1021 goggles are correct as are the Resistal goggles and even sometimes captured German goggles are seen but the M-1944s are simply not correct

 

Tom Bowers

 

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Whats the Explanation for these? LOL

 

Adrian 



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Posted 07 March 2018 - 01:39 PM

 

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Whats the Explanation for these? LOL

 

Adrian 

It's a movie and they thought they were different enough to distinguish the character, Interesting though. I know some of the people who were advisors to the movie and they still react with disgust when you bring up the M-44 goggle debacle



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Posted 08 March 2018 - 12:28 AM

Adrian,

 

The explanation for those is that they are Russian goggles that ended up in the Wehrmacht, then in Brad Pitt's hands. If that makes sense... 

 

Goggles that were definitely used by US tankers in WWII include M-43 goggles, early type Polaroid goggles, Resistal goggles, Skyway goggles and other early types of aviation goggles

 

The M-43 goggles are perhaps the cheapest way of correctly finishing your tanker helmet. 



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Posted 08 March 2018 - 09:34 PM

That is a reasonable and cost effective solution.  Thank you..



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Posted 10 March 2018 - 01:28 PM

Hello

I was looking through my box of stuff and came across two M-1943 goggles that I had put there.  They are the green tinted variety  74-G-76-35.  Would the green tinted be used with the tanker helmet, or only the clear?

Also they have a blued elastic on them.  I was concerned about the elastic, but then I fount the following thread in the Craig Pickrall field gear forum, that are identical.  They are AO dated 1943.

Thanks you.

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  http://www.usmilitar...m-1943-goggles/

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 02:00 AM

Hi,

 

In my opinion either shade is correct depending on what crew member/situation you wish to portray. 

The red tint goggles would have been used by machine gunners, the green tint goggles at night for adaptation in darkness. 

 

AO stands for American Optical. Those are really nice goggles. 

 

I know there's some very well known pictures of tankers wearing them but I can't seem to find them right away. When I do I will post them here. In any case the green tint goggles would be correct if you want to portray a tanker who is taking part in a night time manoeuvre. (they were very much used by air crews for this reason as well)

 

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 03:00 AM

Hi,

 

Some interesting pictures for you to look at. These more or less prove that there was very little consistency when it comes to the type of goggles tankers wore at the time. I'm sure tankers used whatever goggles they could find and foreign types are no exception. 

 

Hope it helps

 

Best regards

 

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 07:25 AM

Hello

 The Blue elastic on the green tinted  googles at first caused concern, but it appears that they ore original.  The tread on the sewing matches the rest of the sewing on the google.  Also with the previous thread, I assume it is period done.  I guess, they used anything they could get during the war.  If it worked, color didn't matter... Thank you for the help and photo's.



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Posted 11 March 2018 - 08:56 AM

Hi,

 

Some interesting pictures for you to look at. These more or less prove that there was very little consistency when it comes to the type of goggles tankers wore at the time. I'm sure tankers used whatever goggles they could find and foreign types are no exception. 

 

Hope it helps

 

Best regards

 

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M22with28th_TBtankersontop.jpg

 

In the 3rd photo from the top, it almost looks like the tanker sitting on top is wearing the M44, while the tanker to his right is wearing polaroids.
 



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Posted 11 March 2018 - 09:39 AM

 
In the 3rd photo from the top, it almost looks like the tanker sitting on top is wearing the M44, while the tanker to his right is wearing polaroids.

 


I think that photo is post WW2. Possibly even 1950s. The sergeant on the far left looks to have those really small chevrons used in the 50s. Plus one of the helmet liners looks glossy like some of those 50s repainted liners. And the presence of 2 M4a3e8 tanks in what appears to be a training type setting also makes me think post war.

I agree with the others. If you're looking to create a display what what a common M38 would look like, go with the resistol or Polaroid goggles. A nice set of Polaroids shouldnt cost more than $40. Resistols are a different story. Very expensive in nice condition.

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 09:49 AM

Can anyone comment on the blue elastic. I have an identical set and have read the previous thread. Is that correct ww2 issue??
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Posted 11 March 2018 - 02:49 PM

Thought I would show my M38 Display.

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 03:12 PM

I'll play along!

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 03:18 PM

Nice one! I love it yp!

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 03:26 PM

Are there any pictures of tankers wearing the M1 dust protector? My book said it was used by the armored troops so I added it to my display. Thought it looked cool.


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