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#26 Popo367

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Posted 07 June 2008 - 12:22 PM

This helmet was first listed with the starting bid of $9.95,

http://cgi.ebay.com/...I...A:IT&ih=025

and a simple description, 2 photos.



Someone must have told them what they had all of a sudden it shot up to $3000.00 or best offer......and a different description.

#27 Leatherneck72

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 09:22 AM

That indeed is an Indain chief on the top representing 2nd Div. I owned a very similar one years ago, except mine wasn't punched for the EGA. The 5th and 6th Marines helmets that were more conservative, i.e., a emblem painted that resembled the patch, were the ones worn in the victory parades in 1919. This helmet here was probably done as a 2nd Division reunion item. I think they are way out there at 3,000. They would have been better off at leaving it at 9.99, and letting it go from there.

#28 Schnicklfritz

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 11:04 AM

There is a similar helmet in one of Chris Arnold's books, "Steel Pots". As to $3000.00... :huh: I'll refrain from the normal negative banter about this stuff... or at least try to.

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 05:58 PM

Saw this helmet on Ebay...looks to be painted by the same soldier. Thought you might want to see it.

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 06:02 PM

Let's try this again.....same soldier painter as Post #5 in the chain. Seen on Ebay.

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#31 bobgee

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 07:11 PM

Hmmmm...................I think so too! Maybe we'll see more about this IndianHead lid here on the Forum shortly?
Semper Fi......Bobgee


Let's try this again.....same soldier painter as Post #5 in the chain. Seen on Ebay.



#32 Jeremiah

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 05:20 AM

Hmmmm...................I think so too! Maybe we'll see more about this IndianHead lid here on the Forum shortly?
Semper Fi......Bobgee



Hmmm....... http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif Maybe...... http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/whistling.gif

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 07:47 AM

Bob,
I am no expert but even I can tell when my kids try to color the same drawing using the same crayolas. That helmet definetely was painted by the same guy who painted your helmet from the 2nd Division Honor Guard. Same colors, same strokes........sound like an art freak. http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/w00t.gif

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 07:59 AM

And this fellow's name on the inside of the brim and on the chinstrap.




U.S. Marine Corps Muster Rolls, 1798-1940
about Joseph H Jamme
Name: Joseph H Jamme
Muster Date: Aug 1918
Enlistment Date: 11 May 1917
Rank: Pharmacist Third Class
Station: Company "K", 3rd Battalion, 5th Regiment,


And his Citation Star/Silver Star records says:

Jamme, Joseph H. Pharmacist's Mate Third Class: For gallantry in action while serving as a Medical Corpsman with the 5th Marines, 2d Division, A.E.F., on June 1918 at Chateau-Thierry, France

#35 Jeremiah

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:10 AM

Thanks for that bit of information on Jamme. If anyone can find his USN service number or AEF number I'd love them until the end of the world.

Any way that you could look up his DOB/DOD and home town Bob?

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:14 AM

close http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif

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#37 Jeremiah

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:25 AM

If the same soldier or marine didn't paint them then the artist was certainly going off of the same reference with what looks to be the same batch of paints.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:27 AM

Thanks for that bit of information on Jamme. If anyone can find his USN service number or AEF number I'd love them until the end of the world.

Any way that you could look up his DOB/DOD and home town Bob?



The helmets are great, but being able to flesh out the man who wore them is what really makes them true historical artifacts:




Joseph Henry Jamme, SN 303727

jamme1.jpg

It looks like he went on to a career in the merchant marine.


1900 United States Federal Census
about Joseph H Jamme
Name: Joseph H Jamme
Home in 1900: Minneapolis Ward 3, Hennepin, Minnesota
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Birthplace: Minnesota
Relationship to head-of-house: Son
Father's Name: Joseph R
Mother's Name: Eugenie
Race: White
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Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph R Jamme 41
Eugenie Jamme 38
Joseph Jamme 17
George T Jamme 16
Lillian C Jamme 15
Edward Jamme 12
Louis Jamme 10
Annie Jamme 8
Joseph H Jamme 5
Dillon E Jamme 3


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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:32 AM

If the same soldier or marine didn't paint them then the artist was certainly going off of the same reference with what looks to be the same batch of paints.


UhHuh! But I'll vote for the same artist.
Semper Fi! Bobgee

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:37 AM

Good stuff Bob, thanks! I checked the SSDI on rootsweb.com and found Joseph Jamme, born 26 June, 1895 and died Jan, 1965 in Spokane, Washington. Looks like it could be the same fellow. Now to try and ping the national archives for his file.

Edited by Jeremiah, 18 June 2008 - 08:40 AM.


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Posted 18 June 2008 - 09:52 AM

Let's try this again.....same soldier painter as Post #5 in the chain. Seen on Ebay.

I own about 30 real painted helmets, and I don't like the looks of this one. The paint looks fluorescent..

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 01:51 PM

I own about 30 real painted helmets, and I don't like the looks of this one. The paint looks fluorescent..


Brian - which helmet are you referring to? By Post #.?
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 02:42 PM

Brian - which helmet are you referring to? By Post #.?
Bobgee



I am sure Brian is referring to the newest one, from eBay.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:37 PM

That indeed is an Indain chief on the top representing 2nd Div. I owned a very similar one years ago, except mine wasn't punched for the EGA. The 5th and 6th Marines helmets that were more conservative, i.e., a emblem painted that resembled the patch, were the ones worn in the victory parades in 1919. This helmet here was probably done as a 2nd Division reunion item. I think they are way out there at 3,000. They would have been better off at leaving it at 9.99, and letting it go from there.


I agree. I think it would have been bid up a lot higher than the $800 they sold it for.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 10:37 AM

Here are a couple of old pics of a very sweet M17 tortoise shell camo with Marine EGA attached. Named to the Marine on the chinstrap.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 10:37 AM

other side view

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 10:40 AM

top view. The pics aren't the greatest. In hand, you can see the proper wear and age to the paint. I've seen one other like this except the EGA was painted on. I need to do some research on the name, but I believe these types of camo helmets could originate with Marines associated with the POW guard companies in the AEF more than Marines in the 5th and 6th Regiments.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 10:42 AM

This helmet has a painted on EGA on one side with a Gunner's bomb on the other. It was a direct veteran buy by Wolfe Hardin back in the 60's that ended up in the hands of the colletor I bought it from through Larry Stone. My feeling is that the helmet is more of a post WW1 reunion piece other than something painted in the AEF or for Homecoming Parades.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 10:42 AM

EGA side

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 10:43 AM

Gunner's bomb insignia

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