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#376 TXMarine81

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 06:21 PM

I have been asked several times to post some of my USMC Battalion painted helmets here on the forum. There is some reluctance on my part because these helmets always tend to be picked apart by the experts. For the most part, these helmets came with Id'ed uniform groups with some pretty heavy provenance. I have had my share of getting burned on painted helmets in the past and will probably get burned again in the future. Some of you have seen some of my Camo/Divisional/Trench Arted helmets that I have sold over the E-Bay venue for the past few years. I sold over two hundred of these great helmets. I feel pretty confident about how these helmets should look, feel and smell like at this point.

While I'm truly a novice in the Marine Corps collecting field, I have been fortunate to have seen a lot of artifacts that came directly from the veterans themselves or thier families. Some of those I now own. Others I have gotten from very knowledgeable collectors (right Mike?) that one can trust. All of the following helmets can be traced almost to the source (the vet). Any critique or criticisms are certainly welcome. I hope you enjoy tis post!!

Dennis Jackson

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Hi Dennis. I've seen many of your posts about USMC WWI helmets, and they have been very informative and helpful. Seeing as you, and many others on this community forum, are a lot more experienced and knowledgable than myself about this subject, I was hoping you and the others may be able to assist me? 

 

I found this helmet at an auction and am thinking about perhaps putting a bid in on it. Unfortunately, these are the only pictures of the helmet, and were provided by the auction company. The helmet is a bit perplexing, as it does appear to have the correct time period 1914-1922 USMC field cap and hat ornament mounted, but the shape and colored background does not match the USMC units with the Army's 2nd Division. The painted background appears to be a yellow horizontal oval, which would (according to my research) indicate the US Army's 2nd Battalion of the 23rd Regiment - whose background was a yellow circle. The 4th Marine Brigade did have horizontal oval backgrounds, however those appear to only have been in black (for Brigade HQ) and purple (for the 6th Machine Gun Battalion).

 

Is this a US Army 2nd Battalion, 23rd Regiment, 2nd Division helmet with a WWI USMC field cap/hat ornament mounted to it. Or has the original paint oxidized into another color (yellow)? What do you think? I would really appreciate any feedback or information anyone may have with this curious mystery. Thank you very much. Semper Fi.

 

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 06:32 PM

Comments have been posted on your original post. Kevin

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 12:52 AM

Hi,

 

I just pick up this helmet...

 

I'm looking for information on the history of this helmet... :)

If someone has information... that interests me !

 

Thanks !

 

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 05:08 AM

Gorgeous helmet!

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 05:39 AM

Loic, check out the helmet depicted on page 301 of Equipping the Corps by Tilkoff. No doubt the same artist that painted yours. Same eagle, same lettering, etc. Middle helmet on oage 298 same thing, not the same style lettering, but looks to be the same hand on the ega. As we discussed last night, I have one as well with the same style eagle no doubt same artist, see post 272 page 11 of this thread. Because mine is named to a Marine who was wounded in September 1918 and sent back to the states, I have always believed it was painted in France before he left. Conjecture, but the same artist suggests to me these were probably done in France as opposed to various Marine Corps leagues or VFW posts after the war. On the boat ride home, they were no doubt painting the ovals, diamonds and squares. I have also noticed the ones like yours all prominently say "France" or depict the French flag, another clue to me they were likely done "Over There". Kevin

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 06:00 AM

Hi Kevin,

Thanks, it's very interesting !..

My helmet have no name :blush: I agree with you the helmets were probably done in France.

I'd like to know who owned it before... I bought it from a professional auction... And He didn't answer my questions...

Thank you very much !

 

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 07:36 PM

Was that one of D.J.'s helmets?

 

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 07:55 PM

I don't think so. Craig Gottlieb has had this one for sale for years. I think Dennis did have a couple which seemed to be painted by the same person. 

 

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 08:13 PM

That's where I saw it! I couldn't place it and was thinking DJ's collection also but definitely saw it when it was on Gottliebs site. Nice helmet. Kevin

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 01:12 AM

I don't think so. Craig Gottlieb has had this one for sale for years. I think Dennis did have a couple which seemed to be painted by the same person. 

 

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Hi,

 

Yes, I bought it at Craig Gottlieb auction... I was watching this helmet for a long time but the price was too expensive...

It was not sold and they decided to put it up for auctioin...

I remember seeing this helmet before but I don't remember where...

 

Thanks !

 

Loïc



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Posted 11 May 2017 - 04:50 AM

Glad to hear you got it at a better price Loïc. His original price was a bit over the top in my opinion. 



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Posted 11 May 2017 - 05:00 AM

Glad to hear you got it at a better price Loïc. His original price was a bit over the top in my opinion. 

 

Hello Eric,

 

Months ago (when I saw the asking price) I asked Graig Gottlieb if he was ready to negociate... but nothing...

Few weeks ago the helmet was for sale in auction and I won it at a better better price...

Today I would like to know the history of this helmet !

Thanks !

 

Loïc.
 



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Posted 11 May 2017 - 11:19 AM

Glad to hear you got it at a better price Loïc. His original price was a bit over the top in my opinion. 

That's an understatement... 

 

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 11:21 AM

 

Hello Eric,

 

Months ago (when I saw the asking price) I asked Graig Gottlieb if he was ready to negociate... but nothing...

Few weeks ago the helmet was for sale in auction and I won it at a better better price...

Today I would like to know the history of this helmet !

Thanks !

 

Loïc.
 

Nice helmet Loic. Sorry, can't help you with the history.

 

Chuck



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Posted 12 May 2017 - 09:56 PM

Nice helmet Loic. Sorry, can't help you with the history.

 

Chuck

 

Thanks Chuck ! ;)

 

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 09:18 AM

IMG_4041.JPG IMG_4042.JPG My newest addition 2/5



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Posted 23 June 2017 - 06:47 AM

Sorry Bill, this 2/5 helmet was post war painted, just as Ray advertised on his ebay auction. The paint and hole for EGA are fresh. I inspected this helmet in hand for Ray, and returned it to him to sell as a reproduction. I also forwarded pictures to E.Q., who confirmed my assessment.

 

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 06:58 AM

Thank you Chuck, I couldn't relocate the posting on ebay but saw it myself last week. and was almost positive this was the same helmet. Seller clearly indicated the insignia was painted in the 1960's as I recall and the helmet was offered as an original shell with post war painted insignia, (way post war). I think that is important to note this as forum members use this thread as an important reference to authenticate helmets. Even without the sellers description most collectors familiar with original USMC WWI helmets would have pause with this one. The style and artwork just isn't like any other 3/5 helmet I have seen. Kevin



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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:22 AM

2/5 Kevin. I'll post pictures in the near future of the bogus 3/5 helmet discussed in another area of this forum.

 

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 03:26 PM

Of course you are right Chuck 2/5 yellow square not the blue square of the 3/5. That's what I get from rushing a post when getting ready for work.

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 05:03 AM

Yeah, I was hoping it was real,  but only out 150 so insignia and helmet are worth that- also a good filler until I get a real one. thanks, Bill




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