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#1 Flightpath

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 01:39 PM

Hi,

two of my favourite WW2 fighter aircraft are the F4F Wildcat and F6F Hellcat and I've wanted to get the type of grip that was used in them for some time now. It was a bit rough when I found it but with a bit of work it came up looking ok.

The grip is made of Bakelite and was made at the Naval Aircraft Factory, Philadelphia Naval Shipyard, the NAF closed production in 1945.

Both the gun button on the front and the bomb button (marked 'B') on the top work. I mounted the grip on a nice timber base with a small USN aviator wing.... I think it looks good, hope you like it......

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 04:51 AM

Wow that is nice items from Naval Aircraft. The F4F and F6F have the same 1173 grip?

 

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Jerry



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 07:47 AM

Hi Jerry,

I'm pretty sure that this grip is used in both aircraft types, although there is a 1173-2 grip I don't see any external difference.......

The 1173-3 grip has an extra button on the side and I have seen them on the F7F Tigercat and F8F Bearcat.

maybe someone can jump in with more information.

cheers, John

Edited by Flightpath, 10 January 2018 - 07:57 AM.


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 08:33 AM

Hi again,

I was just reading that the with three types of grips, the -1, -2, & -3 indicate the number of switches on the grip.
Almost all 1173-1 grips I have seen had both the trigger and bomb buttons, so may have been upgraded when the F4F started to carry bombs...... just my theory.

I have an original FM1/F4F pilot's manual and it shows the bomb button on the top of the grip, WW2 photos of F6F cockpits show the two buttons also.

cheers, John

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:31 AM

The third button is for rockets.



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Posted 12 January 2018 - 06:23 AM

Thanks for info. Im sure that early grip for F4F was a little bit different than for F6F...  soo your theory should be true:

 

"Almost all 1173-1 grips I have seen had both the trigger and bomb buttons, so may have been upgraded when the F4F started to carry bombs...... just my theory."

 

Regards,

Jerry



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Posted 26 January 2018 - 01:10 AM

Here is my NAF 1173-2 Grip Stick. Try to make a better photo in a day light tomorrow. Still waiting on another parts to finished this display.

 

 

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Jerry

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Posted 26 January 2018 - 03:26 PM

Hi Jerry,

you have a nice grip, my house is pretty small and space for my collection is limited, I have a small place on the livingroom bookshelf that has a few of my WW2 US naval aviation items, the rest are spread out or in the gun safe.

The USN MKVIII compass is a favourite of mine, it was used in the F4F and naval other aircraft, I cleaned this one up and refilled it.

Another favourite is the FM-1 pilot's handbook, I think it is a factory copy because there are hand written notes in it about changing photos and wording on some pages.

The silk map is of New Britain, I worked on New Britain for a month a few years back and took the map with me, the local pilots were very interested in it. We even found a few Japanese aircraft in the jungle.

Cheers, John

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Posted 27 January 2018 - 01:44 AM

Hi John. 

 

Thanks for another one pic. Your display looks super cool, I like it.

 

The original manual for any WW2 aircraft it a rare stuff.

 

Map is WW2 example, used by aviators? It is hard to say from this perspective. Nice story about your trip to New Britain.  I always was curiosity if it is possible to take some parts (of course something small only) from aircraft found in the jungle right now and if it is good manner? What is your opinion?

Who dont want to have a true combat WW2 aircraft parts in his collection?

 

Regards,

Jerry



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Posted 27 January 2018 - 02:17 AM

Another one pic in a day light...

 

Im curiosity if any one have a pic with NAF 1173-3 version in aircraft cockpit?

 

Here is also a nice pic of 1173-2 version from great site: https://pilotsmanyourplanes.com/ and Summer Aviator's Gloves article.

 

Regards,

Jerry

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Posted 27 January 2018 - 07:44 AM

Hi Jerry,

yes the map is a 1944 printed AAF silk map, one side is 'NO.16, OWEN STANLEY', showing the eastern half of New Guinea and the other is 'NO.17 NEW BRITAIN'.

It was back in 1988 when I landed at Cape Hoskins I also had an AAF photo taken from a 403rd BS B-24 showing bombs dropping on the very runway I was standing on... very interesting! A few Japanese aircraft can be seen through the smoke, by the wing shape they were Val dive bombers.

The guy I was with said that there were still two Japanese aircraft just off the runway so (of course) asked if we could see them. There were two Val dive bombers, one, no engine, on it's u/c broken in half and the other was half buried but with the engine. Luckily we had a metric tool kit, everything on the engine was corroded, I found what was left of a compass with the brass ID plate and a nice centre elevator bracket at the rear end....... that was all we had time for.

Here's the photo, when magnified, it's easy to see the Vals........
I'll post again soon, I have two photos of the 1173-3 grip in F6F cockpits.
cheers, John

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Posted 27 January 2018 - 08:45 AM

Wow John great story. For sure it should be a great experience to be there. I guess today all of these wrecks are more demolished than in 1988...

 

Cool about silk map, maybe good choice will be also buy a NAVY example. They are pretty cheap and would fit perfect to your other NAVY items.

The best regards,

Jerry



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Posted 27 January 2018 - 09:10 AM

Also from pilotsmanyourplanes site here is a good shot of F6F-3N cockpit with grip stick visible...

 

 

 

 

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Posted 28 January 2018 - 06:40 AM

Hi Jerry,

here are two more F8F cockpits, I hoped that the 1945 photo would show the third button better, the restored F8F cockpit shows it much better.

cheers, John

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Posted 28 January 2018 - 11:00 AM

If anyone's interested, there's a 2 button example on UK ebay at the moment: https://www.ebay.co....984.m1555.l2649



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Posted 29 January 2018 - 03:19 AM

John thanks for those photos!

 

Do you think that in late WW2 F6F and F4U the 1137-3 stick was also installed?

 

Regards,

Jerry



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Posted 11 March 2018 - 01:47 AM

I would think that the -3 grip was used in later F4U........ here's a great photo......

https://www.flickr.c...hoto/7359495178

cheers, John

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 01:12 PM

Here's a couple of WW2 training films about flying the F6F with some cockpit footage........





cheers, John

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 10:37 AM

Thanks for the links John!

 

Cheers,

Jerry



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Posted 31 July 2018 - 09:57 AM

Thanks for this interesting thread. I wondered about these.

The curve gives a neat optical illusion that they are different sizes.

I wonder if this was a pilots initials on the 1173-2.

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Posted 01 August 2018 - 05:10 AM

Great examples thanks! 1173-1 are rare!

 

Probably initials are a pilot invention but hard to say... some pilots used the same plane from time to time on one carrier.

 

Cheers,

Jerry



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Posted 01 August 2018 - 05:39 AM

Thanks for all the info. I had no idea they were that rare.

I had started mounting one on a pedistal like the one above but just had not taken the time. I drilled the chrome rod to fit and had a piece of steel. Now I wonder if walnut would look nicer and I could put a sound box in it to simulate MG fire when you push switch.😁 Any ideas appreciated even if my skill set limits me quite a bit.

I had another one on a demonstraton light gas gun that I took off so it did not get broken. I can use another switch

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 06:19 AM

I guess a 1173-1 was in F4F so it is earlier one for sure. Do you collect them or just bought as a nice items?

 

Simple pedestal mount would be the best do display it. 

 

Regards,

Jerry



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Posted 02 August 2018 - 06:48 AM

I bought a large lot of radio tubes in early 70s.I'm not an aircraft item collector but got a lot of neat stuff in those boxes with the tubes. Radios, RDF antenna and controls, gunsights, grip sticks and aircraft instruments.
Lots of neat stuff. Many tubes are still in boxes military marked and dated 1938-1945. I tried to put pic of tubes on but it will be too small to read numbers.

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 06:59 AM

Lol nice story :)!




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