Navy Jumpers and Other Uniforms, Looking for Tips.

[huntssurplus]

Hello,

 

Looking to branch out a little bit and since I like collecting dress uniforms I am looking to buy some Navy Jumpers and other uniforms. Basically I am wondering about how to know what era one is from. Price guides for how much they are worth. And any other basic info on things like patches, ribbons, etc that can be found on uniforms. Anything you know that you would like to pass on I am interested! And if there are any books, websites, and threads on the forum you would like to recommend I will look into them!

Thanks for the help!
Hunt

[huntssurplus]

Gonna give this a bump, if I am correct WW2 era jumpers have a tag with NAVY FACTORY CLOTHING.

 

Hunt

[Garandomatic]

Yup. Slightly post-war said "depot." They used wwii uniforms for years,though, so i like to look for ruptured ducks. Always a good sign it's wwii.

[huntssurplus]

Yup. Slightly post-war said "depot." They used wwii uniforms for years,though, so i like to look for ruptured ducks. Always a good sign it's wwii.

 

Okay thanks for the tip!

 

Hunt

[carnut63]

Well you can tell from the patch what era it's from, that's probably your first clue.

Second is the material. Before they we're phased out in 73 they were solid wool (blues anyways). After they made a come back in '80 they were a polywool.

[Keith]

What I understand is the Navy jumpers which had a drawstring at the waist will date made in 1941 and earlier. So they could have been worn WW2. Right side sleeve rating is another way to date a pre/early WW2 jumper. For non-Petty Officers there would be the 3/8" band of red or white around the shoulder. I have one with the red band around the shoulder that also has the Honorable Discharge patch, so early jumpers were worn full WW2 term. Hope this helps.

[29navy]

The drawstring on the dress and undress wasn't phased out til 1944. On 31 March 1944 (BuPers Circ Ltr #97), the enlisted dress blue jumper was shorted six inches, the draw string eliminated and the jumper was to hang straight. The white and undress blue jumpers were shortened four inches and the drawstring was eliminated on the undress blues. Of course what they had in stock lasted for a while before the shortened jumpers hit the streets. But you probably had ships' and shore-based tailors shorten the jumpers.

[Keith]

The drawstring on the dress and undress wasn't phased out til 1944. On 31 March 1944 (BuPers Circ Ltr #97), the enlisted dress blue jumper was shorted six inches, the draw string eliminated and the jumper was to hang straight. The white and undress blue jumpers were shortened four inches and the drawstring was eliminated on the undress blues. Of course what they had in stock lasted for a while before the shortened jumpers hit the streets. But you probably had ships' and shore-based tailors shorten the jumpers.

 

Thanks. Your source of info is most likely correct. Here is the source of my information that I posted:

 

American Military Patches, Other Insignia and Decorations of World War Two by Dr. Howard G. Lanham c.2002

“Two features of prewar jumpers were dropped in 1941. The first of these was eyelets and drawstrings in the bottom hem that were designed to draw the skirt snug to the hips. The second was a loop of blue wool cloth in the front just below the neck opening that enabled the sailor to tuck in the ends of the neckerchief should work require it”.

 

Regarding the loop for tucking the neckerchief: I have white jumper with draw string bottom that has this loop below the front of the neck. There also is a second loop at the back of the neck, under the collar, through which to thread the neckerchief; I suppose to help keep it in place. Regards.

[huntssurplus]

Thanks for all the info guys. I picked up a huge lot of jumpers recently so i'll see how they add up!

Hunt

[sigsaye]

 

Thanks. Your source of info is most likely correct. Here is the source of my information that I posted:

 

American Military Patches, Other Insignia and Decorations of World War Two by Dr. Howard G. Lanham c.2002

Two features of prewar jumpers were dropped in 1941. The first of these was eyelets and drawstrings in the bottom hem that were designed to draw the skirt snug to the hips. The second was a loop of blue wool cloth in the front just below the neck opening that enabled the sailor to tuck in the ends of the neckerchief should work require it.

 

Regarding the loop for tucking the neckerchief: I have white jumper with draw string bottom that has this loop below the front of the neck. There also is a second loop at the back of the neck, under the collar, through which to thread the neckerchief; I suppose to help keep it in place. Regards.

. Couple of things here. My father enlisted in 1947. He received Dress and undress blue jumpers with draw strings in the hem. Additionally, according to vets, the loops on jumpers were NOT to tuck the neckerchief into, but rather to tie into the square knot to hold the knot and neckerchief in place. No one did that after boot camp.

 

Blue trousers also hat a pair of eyelets at the top of the pocket openings to Reeves's clothes stops. There was also a brass zipper in the left hand pocket.

[29navy]

What white jumper has a draw string?

[Keith]

What white jumper has a draw string?

 

These have the loop below the neck for securing the neckerchief and also have the 3/8" stripe around the shoulder.

 

[sigsaye]

 

These have the loop below the neck for securing the neckerchief and also have the 3/8" stripe around the shoulder.

 

those are NOT for a string tie. They are for terming "Clothes Stops" in order to hang the garment on the drying line on laundry day.

[Keith]

those are NOT for a string tie. They are for terming "Clothes Stops" in order to hang the garment on the drying line on laundry day.

 

Wow, i was sure headed down the wrong path on those. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Steve B.]

I have a set of blue wool and white cotton uniforms that I believe were WWII issue, but from what little I know about Navy uniforms, I believe were issued and worn postwar. I think they are postwar because the rank/rate on the left sleeve is three angled stripes.

 

I also have the pea coat which is in like-new condition, one white Dixie cup hat, one blue wool Donald Duck hat (sorry, I don't know the correct terms) and two belts. The most interesting item is a a blue wool swim suit.

 

I was given these, but have no interest in keeping them. I am willing to give them for free to anyone who can give them a good home. The catch is: You have to pay the shipping cost. This stuff fills two kitchen trash bags, and is heavy. I am not willing to break up the grouping (with the sailor's name & number on most of the clothing), it's all or nothing. Shipping will be from my house in Hillsboro, OR 97124 to your address.

 

If interested PM me with your zip code so I can calculate how much shipping should be.

[sigsaye]

I have a set of blue wool and white cotton uniforms that I believe were WWII issue, but from what little I know about Navy uniforms, I believe were issued and worn postwar. I think they are postwar because the rank/rate on the left sleeve is three angled stripes.

 

I also have the pea coat which is in like-new condition, one white Dixie cup hat, one blue wool Donald Duck hat (sorry, I don't know the correct terms) and two belts. The most interesting item is a a blue wool swim suit.

 

I was given these, but have no interest in keeping them. I am willing to give them for free to anyone who can give them a good home. The catch is: You have to pay the shipping cost. This stuff fills two kitchen trash bags, and is heavy. I am not willing to break up the grouping (with the sailor's name & number on most of the clothing), it's all or nothing. Shipping will be from my house in Hillsboro, OR 97124 to your address.

 

If interested PM me with your zip code so I can calculate how much shipping should be.

. Yes, post war. The angled stripes were adopted in 1948.

[Fratlanta]

Steve,

PM sent

 

thanks

[huntssurplus]

Steve ill send a PM about that. If the other one doesn't go through I might be interested.

 

Hunt