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#251 CliffP

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 02:21 AM

Cliff, what a wonderful picture of Lahm and Fulois...hadn't seen that one before. Nor do I recall seeing a picture of Fulois in profile...big head, may explain his success even without much formal training? From reading of him, I've tended to like him, even though I think he could rub people the wrong way. Then again, I suppose most of us have that capacity at one time or another.
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:crying: Paul, I read you loud and clear since I too have a terrible knack (sui generis) for doing the same thing. It's not intentionally mind you, it's only because I've never been good at playing both sides of the fence.
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Below is another picture you may not have seen of Captain Charles DeForest Chandler. It was taken in 1912 when he was Commanding Officer of the first Army Aviation School at College Park, MD. He was also the first Officer in Charge of the Aeronautical Division Signal Corps.

A few interesting facts about Chandler:

His first airplane flight was in 1909 with Wilbur Wright but he received the bulk of his pilot training in 1912 from Hap Arnold and Thomas DeWitt Milling. What I find note worthy is that all three men qualified for their Military Aviator Rating on the same day, Wednesday, 5 July 1912.

Something else, on Monday, 16 October, 1913, Chandler was the first Army pilot to receive a Military Aviator badge.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 11:46 AM

Paul,

Great thread to start. Good luck.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 05:48 PM

Paul,

Great thread to start. Good luck.
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Thanks, I've really enjoyed this topic. It has drawn input from several remarkably well versed aviation experts that have been very gracious in sharing their knowledge.

I started this project thinking that there had to have been some kind of brotherhood amongst these men that carried through the subsequent decades, all of them tied together in a sense, by those very rare first MA badges. Although some of that camaraderie did exist, for many it appears to have been absent. That's likely due to their having lost about one-third of their fellows in early crashes; but also the apparently loose brotherhood was due to the way they viewed flying airplanes. To them, the early ones, flying was just another acquired skill for a career Army officer to attain. That's probably the most surprising revelation I've taken away from participating in this thread.

If you have the opportunity, find a copy of "Command Decision", a 1948 WWII era film. Watch it a few times to take in the detail. A couple of the soliloquies between the Clark Gable and Walter Pidgeon characters drive home the connection and contributions these early aviators made to what ultimately developed into the Army Air Force of WWII...and some of the participants in WWII were several of these same men.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 04:18 AM

Lewis Hyde Brereton.

He qualified as a Military Aviator (MA) on 27 March 1913, the 10th man to do so.

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 07:16 AM

There is a long panoramic photo from Texas City from about 1913 showing troops and six Wright-type aircraft. Has anyone identified the men and planes in the photo?

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 08:14 PM

There is a long panoramic photo from Texas City from about 1913 showing troops and six Wright-type aircraft. Has anyone identified the men and planes in the photo?

That is the First Aero Squadron which was transferred from Augusta, Georgia to Texas City, Texas on February 28, 1913.

A larger and much clearer image of that photo is at this website:
http://www.loc.gov/p...ce/pan.6a33307/

The seven airplanes pictured:
Wright B, SC #3
Burgess-Wright F, SC #5
Burgess Tractor H, SC #9
Wright C, SC #11
Wright C, SC #12
Wright C Trainer, SC #16

Some of the officers who were at Texas City when the photo was taken:
Capt. Charles DeForest Chandler
Capt. Frederick B. Hennessy
Lt. Loren H. Call
Lt. Eric L. Ellington
Lt. Harry Graham
Lt. Roy C. Kirkland
Lt. Thomas DeWitt Milling
Lt. William C. Sherman




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Posted 24 March 2011 - 07:42 PM

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Military Aviators:

BG Benjamin D. Foulois & Colonel Charles DeForest Chandler; LeMans, France, December 22, 1918.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 07:56 PM

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1913 Military Aviator badge of Lt. Hollis LeRoy Muller

Made by the Ordnance Department, Rock Island Arsenal, Illinois
Courtesy: National Museum of the U.S. Air Force collection

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#259 Paul S

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 08:05 PM

Here is a 1945 picture showing General Hap Arnold, one of the first Military Aviators who qualified on 5 July 1912, shaking hands with General Curtis LeMay, first commander of the Strategic Air Command. An interesting picture of 2 top Air Force commanders having between them an unbroken experience line from military aviation's beginning to the establishment of SAC.

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 07:34 PM

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Although they are not in uniform, here is a wonderful picture of Henry H. Arnold and Thomas DeW Milling talking to C. Murvin Wood, a well known pioneer civilian aviator. The picture is dated August 13, 1913. That is a Moisant Monoplane in the background.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:36 PM

Hi guys,
I just finished reading this thread and was very much impressed with the quality of knowledge that was brought to the table. I have done some minor research on this subject some time ago due to the fact that I found a small grouping from a Signal Corps man named Ward Rice who was from Pennsylvania, where I currently reside. What I can gather is that he was one of the first mechanics who worked on the Wright and Curtis machines. I also found an article that was in the New York Times dates October 22, 1912 in which it is stated that the Lt. Harold Geiger and Cpl. Ward Rice, of the Army Aviation School, narrowly escaped death when their hydro-aerolane fell into the Potomac River from a height of 100 feet. Their plane's wings were disabled by a sudden gust of wind. They were rescued by launch and neither were harmed. I know this thread is about the M.A. but does anyone know anything about Ward Rice ? Thank you for any help.

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 08:47 PM

I was told to post this portrait photo here.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/Kimballsek/Photos/scan0004-1.jpg

I had been trying to find this man's identity for a while. He was with a group of photos, this one and other were both address to a Col. Waddell F. Smith
The other photo (the second one, below) is of a Major General John Bernard Brooks.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/Kimballsek/Photos/scan0003-2.jpg

Whom I searched, and while doing so, found a site called The early birds of aviation and it had a list of early aviators.
Seeing as I couldn't make out the entire signature of the photo I tried searching for just the first three letters of what I could read of the last name; GOO.
I see that there are two. A Goodier and a Goodale. I can also make out an E in the middle, possibly for his middle name of Edward?
Could this photo be of Lewis Edward Goodier, Jr?

Here is Lewis Edward Goodier, Jr's father, and I gotta say, it's a pretty good resemblance.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/Kimballsek/Photos/GoodierLewisE.jpg

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 08:49 PM

And, while I'm at it. Does anyone recognize this gentleman? An I.J. Williams?

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/Kimballsek/Photos/scan0025-1.jpg

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Posted 09 September 2011 - 08:06 AM

Hi guys,
I just finished reading this thread and was very much impressed with the quality of knowledge that was brought to the table. I have done some minor research on this subject some time ago due to the fact that I found a small grouping from a Signal Corps man named Ward Rice who was from Pennsylvania, where I currently reside. What I can gather is that he was one of the first mechanics who worked on the Wright and Curtis machines. I also found an article that was in the New York Times dates October 22, 1912 in which it is stated that the Lt. Harold Geiger and Cpl. Ward Rice, of the Army Aviation School, narrowly escaped death when their hydro-aerolane fell into the Potomac River from a height of 100 feet. Their plane's wings were disabled by a sudden gust of wind. They were rescued by launch and neither were harmed. I know this thread is about the M.A. but does anyone know anything about Ward Rice ? Thank you for any help.

Glad you posted here. I am confident your query will be seen and addressed.

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 05:10 PM

Not from the original batch of 24 aviators, but an interesting period photograph of early aviation uniform/insignia. Around 1927
Maj. Gen. Mason Patrick

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/Kimballsek/Photos/scan0001-2.jpg

Originally an Engineer. In May 1918 he was appointed by General John J. Pershing to command the combined Air Service of the AEF and subsequently promoted to Major General the following month. He remained with the Air Service until June 1919, returning then to the U.S. and to various engineering duties, including Assistant Chief of Engineers in 1920.
Retired in 1927. Died in 1942
Patrick AFB in Florida is named in his honor in 1950.

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 06:17 PM

This is a good add. At the outset of WWI, Pershing was happy with all his branches except the Air Service which he viewed as having good men, but they were running in circles. He appointed Patrick to "straighten things out." One of his subordinates was one of the original Military Aviators, Benjamin Fulois. Fulois was one of two top commanders who was then seen as running in circles...the other was Billy Michell. Patrick held the job until 1927. IIRC, he funded his own flying lessons and got his wings at an advanced age...something like 40, or thereabouts. He was very proud to have been awarded his wings and is always seen wearing them as an older man, but not in earlier pictures.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 04:50 PM

Here is a c. 1925 picture of Benjamin Fulois taken at the Billy Mitchell trial. Of interest is the wing Fulois is wearing.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 06:06 PM

Paul - thanks for posting this photo. Just from the way the star is sitting it appears to be a seperate item. Do you think if you had those wings it would say from offical die on the reverse ;)

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 03:13 AM

Neat photo share:

Captain Charles DeForest Chandler - Circa 1912

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 12:28 PM

1953 press release photo of Brig. General Frank Lahm.

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 01:00 PM

1939 dated press release photo of Colonel Frederic Humphreys and Colonel Frank Lahm. Note the Aviator badge on Colonel Lahm's uniform.

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 01:02 PM

Press release statement attached to the back of the Humphreys/Lahm photo.

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 01:14 PM

Another Frank Lahm press-release archive photo.

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 01:16 PM

Press-release statement on the back of the above archive photo.

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 01:30 PM

August 1, 1926 dated press-release photo of Colonel Frank Lahm.

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