Dave Posted November 16, 2017 Share #1 Posted November 16, 2017 I'm sure that many of you have seen this on eBay. It started at $10k and is now down to $5k as a BIN. Sadly, the seller has sold off some of the general's foreign awards separately, but this group is still really, really nice (and I don't think drastically overpriced at $5k...just in my opinion...if I weren't buying a house right now, I might seriously mull it...) Anyway, the point of this thread is to show some interesting engraving. There are two DSMs with the group; one is what I would consider to be WW2 engraving...the other 1960s engraving. The seller believes the hand-engraved one was awarded to his son ("Jr") as a posthumous award. That provided a bit of a conundrum for me, as I would have DEFINITELY considered that to be WW2 engraving...but to see hand engraving like that from 1967??? That didn't make sense to me. So...I did some legwork, and sure enough, when the first DSM was awarded, "Senior" was actually known as "Junior" and apparently "Junior" (who died in 1967) was actually "III". Then...name changes...and the original "Junior" (the general) dropped the "Jr" and "III" became "Jr". If that's not a bit convoluted... In conclusion...it's a beautiful group, but the hand-engraved DSM is actually the general's, not his son's. Thought anyone who has also looked at it and been confused would like to know!Here's a link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/General-Blackshear-Bryan-Medal-Group-2-Distinguished-Service-Medals-Air-Medal/232563762642 Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share #2 Posted November 16, 2017 And for Kurt Stauffer's interest in all things privately engraved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY Militaria Posted November 16, 2017 Share #3 Posted November 16, 2017 Unfortunately the seller is fishing. I talked with him on eBay last week and sent in an offer higher than the “highest offer” he said he had received, and noted that if he accepted, I’d start buying the foreign awards. He countered with a ridiculous number and now that some parts are gone, I’m no longer interested. Too bad really as it WAS a great collection to one GO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KASTAUFFER Posted November 16, 2017 Share #4 Posted November 16, 2017 Unfortunately the seller is fishing. I talked with him on eBay last week and sent in an offer higher than the highest offer he said he had received, and noted that if he accepted, Id start buying the foreign awards. He countered with a ridiculous number and now that some parts are gone, Im no longer interested. Too bad really as it WAS a great collection to one GO. He will see the error of his ways when he doesn't get another offer as close to yours and the foreign awards sell for less than they would have had you been bidding. Some people just don't get it. Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share #5 Posted November 16, 2017 He will see the error of his ways when he doesn't get another offer as close to yours and the foreign awards sell for less than they would have had you been bidding. Some people just don't get it. Kurt I don't think I'll ever get an answer for my question, but the foreign awards sold (most of them) and he was asking pretty astronomical prices for them. I wonder what they ended up bringing as I'd be hard pressed to imagine someone paying retail+ for a single foreign medal without the rest of the group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY Militaria Posted November 17, 2017 Share #6 Posted November 17, 2017 He kept quoting a number of values that he said some of the foreign medals "will sell for", although most went for a fraction of his estimate. Oh well...at least some GO medal groups stay complete! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mghcal Posted November 30, 2017 Share #7 Posted November 30, 2017 This group ended yesterday for a relative fraction of their original bin price. Those ribbon racks were beautiful. https://www.ebay.com/itm/General-Blackshear-Bryan-Medal-Group-2-Distinguished-Service-Medals-Air-Medal-/232572170146?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=uGmMyITcWsmZ78QZNCb5C9Y1q5U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY Militaria Posted November 30, 2017 Share #8 Posted November 30, 2017 It ended for significantly less than a number of the offers he received a week earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share #9 Posted November 30, 2017 I think it ended at a great price...if I weren't buying a house, I would have definitely been a competing bidder at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY Militaria Posted December 5, 2017 Share #10 Posted December 5, 2017 A little bonus when I saw that the DSM cases ended up being titled instead of the blank variations commonly seen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsakers85 Posted December 8, 2017 Share #11 Posted December 8, 2017 What do you serious collectors believe caused this group to sell for less than your previous offers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMariner Posted December 8, 2017 Share #12 Posted December 8, 2017 I was shocked at the final price also! I had it in my watch list and looked at it about 2 hours before it sold, I said to myself never in a million years will it stay at this price! I wouldn't have had a hard time shelling out the price it sold for! I was shocked to see it hadn't really gone up at all once I came back and saw it had ended! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY Militaria Posted December 8, 2017 Share #13 Posted December 8, 2017 What do you serious collectors believe caused this group to sell for less than your previous offers? Probably a combination of bad time of year to sell stuff due to Christmas, the seller was difficult to deal with during the BIN/Best Offer phase and may have driven some away, the fact that it was broken up in many directions, and some people just probably just forgot to bid. I also coordinated with a GO medal collector (that would have paid a lot more) to NOT bid in this auction in exchange for me not biding on another item he wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsakers85 Posted December 9, 2017 Share #14 Posted December 9, 2017 Probably a combination of bad time of year to sell stuff due to Christmas, the seller was difficult to deal with during the BIN/Best Offer phase and may have driven some away, the fact that it was broken up in many directions, and some people just probably just forgot to bid. I also coordinated with a GO medal collector (that would have paid a lot more) to NOT bid in this auction in exchange for me not biding on another item he wanted. So your expert opinion would be that this sale price is not representative of the market for these items and should not be used as a confirmed previous sale amount in order to establish a value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KASTAUFFER Posted December 9, 2017 Share #15 Posted December 9, 2017 The seller got greedy and "paid the price". Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY Militaria Posted December 10, 2017 Share #16 Posted December 10, 2017 So your expert opinion would be that this sale price is not representative of the market for these items and should not be used as a confirmed previous sale amount in order to establish a value? Exactly, named DSM groups to GO's of that period go for much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsakers85 Posted December 10, 2017 Share #17 Posted December 10, 2017 It's interesting in fine collectibles, to call it a hobby is to belittle the people paying large sums of money for items, that when an item is highly priced, some collectors will complain loudly. And when an item sells for too little, the dealers complain. I know very little of prices for general officer items, which is why I will never be a heavy hitter. On the up side, one stands to make a tidy profit on this group when they choose to market it for the true value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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