1929 FA .30 MI Full Bandolier -- Any info on this?

[usmce4]

I've had this laying around for years. I've never seen another and never really gotten any info on it. The material as you can see in the pics is heavy cloth and it came with the info tag in one of the pouches.

Any info would be appreciated - Especially interested in finding out, naturally, the value.

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Again, would appreciate any info

Thanks,

Art

[robinb]

Definitely not 30-03.

[usmce4]

Definitely not 30-03.

 

Yes, my mind was on another item as I was listing this. I'm not your ideal multi-tasker when it comes to being on a computer

Thanks, Art

 

[12thengr]

Just like this, except about 14 years earlier. I think I got $40 or $50 bucks for it.

[sundance]

Probably stating the obvious but on 5 round stripper clips it's clearly for the 03. I have a WW2 vintage bandolier which is made of a much lighter material. That heavy fabric must boost the value.

[usmce4]

Probably stating the obvious but on 5 round stripper clips it's clearly for the 03. I have a WW2 vintage bandolier which is made of a much lighter material. That heavy fabric must boost the value.

 

Yes, as I stated above I was trying to do two things at once and didn't express myself properly. This is a very heavy material, not at all like the thin cotton ones I've got bunches of - now I've done what I should have done to begin with and read the pinned thread at the top of the forum.

It appears very similar to the WWI vintage ones they describe in that thread and if my memory serves, there was a rusty safety pin in it when I got it - I believe I threw it away but the holes and rust marks are still obvious (see pic)

But I would imagine these were used well into WWII as the Marines didn't get M-1s until early '43 (they had 03's on Guadalcanal).

I just wonder if the quality of the material stayed the same once production ramped up to wartime level.

Thanks, Art

 

[m1ashooter]

You have corrosive M1 Ball ammo which was designed to fire in the service weapons of the time. From looking at the material of the bandoleer it would appear the quality of material was not the same in the big war.

 

In 1926, the Ordnance Corps after extensive testing of 7.5×55mm Swiss GP11 projectiles provided by the Swiss developed the .30 M1 Ball cartridge loaded with a new Improved Military Rifle (IMR) 1185 propellant and 174-grain (11.3 g) bullet with a 9° boat tail and an ogive of 7 calibers that had a higher ballistic coefficient of roughly 0.494 (G1 BC),^[13][14] that achieved a muzzle velocity of 2,647 ft/s (807 m/s) and muzzle energy of 2,675 ft·lbf (3,627 J).^[15] This bullet further reduced air resistance in flight, resulting in less rapid downrange deceleration, less lateral drift caused by crosswinds, and significantly greater supersonic and maximum effective range from machine guns and rifles alike. Its maximum range was approximately 5,500 yd (5,030 m).^[16] Additionally, a gilding metal jacket was developed that all but eliminated the metal fouling that plagued the earlier M1906 cartridge.

Wartime surplus totaled over 2 billion rounds of ammunition. Army regulations called for training use of the oldest ammunition first. As a result, the older .30-06 ammunition was expended for training; stocks of .30 M1 Ball ammunition were allowed to slowly grow until all of the older M1906 ammunition had been fired. By 1936, it was discovered that the maximum range of the .30 M1 Ball ammunition with its boat-tailed spitzer bullets was beyond the safety limitations of many ranges. An emergency order was made to manufacture quantities of ammunition that matched the external ballistics of the earlier M1906 cartridge as soon as possible. A new cartridge was developed in 1938 that was essentially a duplicate of the old M1906 round, but loaded with IMR 4895 propellant and a new flat-based bullet that had a gilding metal jacket and a different lead alloy, and weighed 152 grains (9.8 g) instead of 150 grains (9.7 g). This 1938 pattern cartridge, the Cartridge, Caliber .30, Ball, M2 achieved a muzzle velocity of 2,805 ft/s (855 m/s) and muzzle energy of 2,656 ft·lbf (3,601 J).^[15] The round weighed 416 grains (27.0 g) and its maximum range was approximately 3,450 yd (3,150 m)