Dave Posted October 22, 2017 Share #26 Posted October 22, 2017 Sorry, changed my mind. Launch Souvenirs. Is this something the family would have generally kept or is it more likely that someone added these in over the past 75 years? Quite probably kept by the family. If he was on the precomissioning crew of the sub, he probably got these and left them at home since there would have been no point in taking them on patrol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 22, 2017 Share #27 Posted October 22, 2017 Combat patrol badge with 1 star. The sub was lost on its first patrol. So would this even be accurate? Would the crew have received this posthumously? Or is this an "addition"? Submarine combat patrol pins were awarded posthumously, so this is not at all a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 22, 2017 Share #28 Posted October 22, 2017 An officer's "dolphin" badge. Would a fireman first class have been considered and officer? I've seen officer's dolphins end up in enlisted KIA groups now five times that come to mind. Personally, I think because there was no metal dolphin for the enlisted, these were sometimes presented to the family posthumously...not officially by the Navy, but I've seen it so many times so far to brush it off as somehow "added" to the group at some point along the way. Overall, this is a superb, complete, group!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes Posted October 22, 2017 Share #29 Posted October 22, 2017 Brian Great grouping Rip Sailor. There is a book out might that interest you written by Commander Coe's daughter(USS Cisco's Commander) called "Full Fathom Five". Has some interesting thing about the loss of USS Cisco. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarbridge Posted October 22, 2017 Share #30 Posted October 22, 2017 I've seen officer's dolphins end up in enlisted KIA groups now five times that come to mind. Personally, I think because there was no metal dolphin for the enlisted, these were sometimes presented to the family posthumously...not officially by the Navy, but I've seen it so many times so far to brush it off as somehow "added" to the group at some point along the way. Overall, this is a superb, complete, group!!! I've had several enlisted groups that included officer dolphins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian from Columbus Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share #31 Posted October 22, 2017 Thanks everyone for the information and kind words. Your knowledge and appreciation mean a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barickman Posted October 23, 2017 Share #32 Posted October 23, 2017 Very nice complete KIA sub USN groupings as they are hard to find. Congrats! Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh B. Posted October 23, 2017 Share #33 Posted October 23, 2017 Combat patrol badge with 1 star. The sub was lost on its first patrol. So would this even be accurate? Would the crew have received this posthumously? Or is this an "addition"? The question is if his final war patrol was his only one. Ive seen KIA patrol pin awards, but if your pin was awarded that way it should lack the star. He may have been awarded the pin for a prior patrol on another boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fstop61 Posted October 23, 2017 Share #34 Posted October 23, 2017 http://www.oneternalpatrol.com/genoozis-a-m.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian from Columbus Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share #35 Posted November 4, 2017 The question is if his final war patrol was his only one. Ive seen KIA patrol pin awards, but if your pin was awarded that way it should lack the star. He may have been awarded the pin for a prior patrol on another boat. I have gathered up records and researches Genoozis' time in the navy. The only other submarine that he was on (that I can confirm) was the USS R-2. This was a WWI era sub that appears to have been linked with a sonar school and did occasional defensive patrols. I didn't see any indication that it would have been awarded a combat star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian from Columbus Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share #36 Posted November 4, 2017 Brian Great grouping Rip Sailor. There is a book out might that interest you written by Commander Coe's daughter(USS Cisco's Commander) called "Full Fathom Five". Has some interesting thing about the loss of USS Cisco. Mark Mark, Thanks for the recommendation. I will try and give that a look when I have some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerialbridge Posted November 5, 2017 Share #37 Posted November 5, 2017 Gold Star Pin. Is this something the family would have purchased? Here's the skinny on the Gold Star pins. Gratuitously furnished by the government on written request at no cost to: Widow, widower, mother, father, stepmother, stepfather, mother through adoption and father through adoption of a KIA PH recipient. It could be purchased at cost by: son, daughter, stepson, stepdaughter, son by adoption, daughter by adoption, brother, sister, half brother and half sister. The government would engrave initials on the back for either category on request. The requestor had the option of a pin joint with safety catch or clutch back variant. Which is yours and does it have initials? Interesting that the proverbial "nephew" and "great-nephew" did not rate a Gold Star pin from Uncle Sam under either category, much less cousins, second cousins once removed, etc. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/97814-wwii-gold-star-mothers-pin-information/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian from Columbus Posted November 5, 2017 Author Share #38 Posted November 5, 2017 Here's the skinny on the Gold Star pins. Gratuitously furnished by the government on written request at no cost to: Widow, widower, mother, father, stepmother, stepfather, mother through adoption and father through adoption of a KIA PH recipient. It could be purchased at cost by: son, daughter, stepson, stepdaughter, son by adoption, daughter by adoption, brother, sister, half brother and half sister. The government would engrave initials on the back for either category on request. The requestor had the option of a pin joint with safety catch or clutch back variant. Which is yours and does it have initials? Interesting that the proverbial "nephew" and "great-nephew" did not rate a Gold Star pin from Uncle Sam under either category, much less cousins, second cousins once removed, etc. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/97814-wwii-gold-star-mothers-pin-information/ Safety catch. No initials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellumbill Posted August 9, 2018 Share #39 Posted August 9, 2018 Brian - FYI this sailor’s brother’s usmc uniform is for sale on IMA website right now. Best Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stretchman89 Posted September 13, 2018 Share #40 Posted September 13, 2018 Another classic WW II grouping from the Silent Service! Tragic that their submarine was lost. Love the engraving on the purple heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waco Posted September 30, 2018 Share #41 Posted September 30, 2018 Combat patrol badge with 1 star. The sub was lost on its first patrol. So would this even be accurate? Would the crew have received this posthumously? Or is this an "addition"? Just caught up to this post. First, great grouping. Second, in answer to your question...Admiral Lockwood's practice was to award the combat insignia in absentia to those sailors who perished on lost boats. This award was sometimes accompanied by a signed letter from him discussing the actions of the sub at the time of loss. As for the pin with star (for 2 patrols deemed successful), it may be your sailor served on another sub prior to Cisco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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