AES173rd Posted October 18, 2017 Share #1 Posted October 18, 2017 I just received this shirt in the mail. I'm pretty pleased with it, but I just wanted to make sure it's legit. From my research, I believe that the Air Defense Artillery collar patch identifies this shirt to the 2/20th Field Artillery, an Aerial Rocket Artillery Battalion, but I'm not sure. If anyone knows or has any other information about it I'd really appreciate it! Thanks, Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 18, 2017 Share #2 Posted October 18, 2017 Your Pilot is a commissioned officer (as opposed to a Warrant Officer) and wears the branch of service badge of his branch he was commissioned in, which in those days aviators came from every branch. As for this badge, it is the 1957-68 branch of service for Artillery. there was no Air Defense branch, a super branch from 1957 to 1968 Artillery. And while officers in the 1960s officer registry have an AV as there branch, there was no Aviation Branch, that was formed in the 1980s and took as it's BOS the old Army Air Corps Wing and Prop badge. A view of the NAME tape will help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 18, 2017 Share #3 Posted October 18, 2017 Also, you man could of been in any of The Cav's Avn Bns, even in the 1st Squadron 9th Cavalry, the Air Cav unit of The Cav. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AES173rd Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share #4 Posted October 18, 2017 Thank you very much!! I really appreciate the info. Here’s a close up of the name tape. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171018/292196822c018cd5b9050d8a797690b6.heic Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 18, 2017 Share #5 Posted October 18, 2017 To show what we mean about commissioned Aviators, here's two from the 1960s, one and Engineer commissioned officer, the other Armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 18, 2017 Share #6 Posted October 18, 2017 Thank you very much!! I really appreciate the info. Here’s a close up of the name tape. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171018/292196822c018cd5b9050d8a797690b6.heic Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Give me a minute, I can probably ID him, oh wait one, first let me smoke a butt . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AES173rd Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share #7 Posted October 18, 2017 Lol ok, again I really appreciate it!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 18, 2017 Share #8 Posted October 18, 2017 Hmm not seeing him on the register, Regular/Active Army 1965 (no Reserve or National Guard Commissioned Officers listed), nor on the 1967 register (on this year both RA and Reserve Components are listed). What date is this shirt of yours? Look for White tag inside on lower skirt, if not then see inside unddr the color if there is/was Black stamping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 18, 2017 Share #9 Posted October 18, 2017 Holy Moly. Look what I found, he was in in the 50s. 1957 ROTC, Got around 1962 (Thus not listed in the 60s register, may be in the late 50s early 60s ones, have to look.) http://www.cnweekly.com/news/veteran-of-korea-gets-service-medal-half-a-century-later/article_7a5b79b8-0f4e-5a54-a52c-3e7402352af2.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 18, 2017 Share #10 Posted October 18, 2017 Show a close up of those collar badges and Wings, think they might be embroidered on OD HBT material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AES173rd Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share #11 Posted October 18, 2017 Holy moly indeed!! That’s incredible. I can’t thank you enough for finding that for me! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 18, 2017 Share #12 Posted October 18, 2017 Ach, David Riebel past last year, his mention of having been in the Korean War is of course an error. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dailygazette/obituary.aspx?pid=180746772 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AES173rd Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share #13 Posted October 18, 2017 They don’t appear to be on HBT but the 1LT patch looks possibly in-country made but it’s hard to see in the pics https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171018/c76226ec0003d164219c8068fccde529.heichttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171018/93d253e3a299d90f776a7e90bfd698ae.heichttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171018/3c611f15d1a86ede715899505b61f753.heic Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AES173rd Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share #14 Posted October 18, 2017 Weird about both sources making the same mistake about him being in Korea... but sad to hear he’s gone. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 18, 2017 Share #15 Posted October 18, 2017 They don’t appear to be on HBT but the 1LT patch looks possibly in-country made but it’s hard to see in the pics https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171018/c76226ec0003d164219c8068fccde529.heichttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171018/93d253e3a299d90f776a7e90bfd698ae.heichttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171018/3c611f15d1a86ede715899505b61f753.heic Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk OK we're not getting images, I do believe Weird about both sources making the same mistake about him being in Korea... but sad to hear he’s gone. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It's something I found to be some what common, service post armistice as service in the war. An example of this is former presidential candidate Micheal Dukakis, when he was running back then, they keep printing and saying over and over again "Korean War Vet, Korean War Vet....He's a Korean Vet....Korean War Vet....Veteran of the Korean War. One day I seen n the paper a foto of him in the army, and and i noticed right off he was wearing those small Specialist ranks on his field jacket, that of course would of been after 1955, the year those new rank insignia came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AES173rd Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share #16 Posted October 18, 2017 Ah sorry about that. If these don’t work I’ll do it from my computer in the morning. I’m a little new to the forum lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 18, 2017 Share #17 Posted October 18, 2017 OD Sateen then, A OK. this shirt is the type without a tag?, and had it's nomenclature stamped in Black under the collar, one's with the tag I believe come out in 1958. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AES173rd Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share #18 Posted October 18, 2017 Yes, there's a very, very faint trace of a black stamp near the collar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 18, 2017 Share #19 Posted October 18, 2017 Yes, there's a very, very faint trace of a black stamp near the collar. That's about right, these marking wear away after repeated washing, and that's why the government made the cloth tags mandatory then in the late 50s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AES173rd Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share #20 Posted October 18, 2017 Ah I see. Well anyway I really appreciate all the research you did for me. What a cool piece! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 18, 2017 Share #21 Posted October 18, 2017 Another thing seeing that this shirt was worn starting sometime in 1958 by him after all his training, interestingly, is the wear of the new AG44 border Cav patch, this being an early example of the wear new type without the OD border. These came out in sometime in 1958, but in the early days their wear was not universal, the OD border ones still being common, this being true for all units that had OD border/background patches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 18, 2017 Share #22 Posted October 18, 2017 Ah I see. Well anyway I really appreciate all the research you did for me. What a cool piece! Do live around where this guy was from? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifton_Park,_New_York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AES173rd Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share #23 Posted October 18, 2017 No I live in Dallas I wonder how the uniform found its way here to Texas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 18, 2017 Share #24 Posted October 18, 2017 No I live in Dallas I wonder how the uniform found its way here to Texas Oh that defeneltly happens. A Changing hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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