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WWII Navy Corpsman Chief Uniform Ribbons? Puzzle to me!

Started by johnny12550 , Sep 13 2017 09:03 AM

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#1 johnny12550

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:03 AM

Hi,

I recently bought this uniform with the ribbons placed as shown. initially I thought that the ribbons were pinned on incorrectly and I just simply thought I would move them to their correct locations. I came to find out that they were sewn onto the uniform in that order. The way they are arranged shows them in the reverse order he was awarded them. The last ribbon ends with the good conduct and the rack starts with the unit citation. I have seen another naval uniform with ribbons in this order, and attached is a period picture of a Coast Guard Chief's ribbon rack showing them in the reverse order he received them ending with a marksman ribbon and starting with a WWII victory. I have seen this on 3 separate occasions now and all were on Chief's uniforms. Does anyone know why this was done? Did naval regulations state that they would be worn this way and was changed to the present day order of precedence on a later date???

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:04 AM

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:17 AM

It looks like the bottom 2 rows are backwards.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:42 AM

Pretty common, I actually like them when they are out of order as it smacks more authentic to me.

 

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:53 AM

Check through the June, 1946 and July 1947 issues of All Hands Magazine. It has the directions for wearing USN ribbons and order of precedence.

 

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:53 AM

That's exactly what I mean. Looks like he was issued his GC first and started his rack on the bottom right. As he kept earning ribbons he kept going left, then started on the second row from right to left again. The Coast Guard Chief in the period picture did the same thing.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:30 AM

Good Conduct ribbon was worn after campaign medals until regs. changed around 1947.




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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:30 AM

Like what Kurt said, even though charts existed, many people put the ribbons on their uniform in any way they felt best. Visiting over 120 families for my first book, you'd be blown away at the combinations of strangeness I saw when it came to ribbons that were worn on examples still in the family's possession. 


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:44 AM

Like what Kurt said, even though charts existed, many people put the ribbons on their uniform in any way they felt best. Visiting over 120 families for my first book, you'd be blown away at the combinations of strangeness I saw when it came to ribbons that were worn on examples still in the family's possession. 

 

The same holds true to how sailors affixed their rating badges and distinguishing marks. Nearly all of the Navy uniforms in my collection are inconsistent with uniform regulations of their eras. Most are close but some are way off. We tend to look at these uniforms with today's lens of uniform regs and how we followed them to the letter (or so we think/thought). I still see active duty personnel wearing something that is out of compliance. If I was uptight and OCD, I would have suffered a breakdown at what I saw on the young MAAs (who were in A-school) at Lackland AFB in their uniforms. I was anal enough to check current regs to ensure that *I* wasn't the one who was incorrect.

I'd offer that MOST of the time, these veterans' uniforms are fairly close to correct in their era. I doubt that this CPhM was ever questioned on his ribbon arrangement as there were much more significant issues to deal with at the time.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:04 AM

Yeah, I can see what you mean. I also have a nice 1st Class GM uniform with all machine sewn insignia. The only thing is that his 1st class gun pointer insignia is sewn upside down ( Star facing the cuff). I don't think anyone messed with him either.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:10 AM

Being sewn on even by a tailor often you will see items out of order.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 02:06 PM

Good Conduct ribbon was worn after campaign medals until regs. changed around 1947.


I thought that was until January 1946. Good to know.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 04:33 PM

While scanning thru the All Hands online collection, ran across this small filler from Jan 1945 issue. References the circular letter making the change..

 

 

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