Salvage Sailor Posted August 13, 2017 Share #1 Posted August 13, 2017 On the 1940's Gemsco card, could be a Sembler/Gemsco due to the light blue color of the card Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jweitkamp Posted August 13, 2017 Share #2 Posted August 13, 2017 For warrant officer overseas cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvage Sailor Posted August 13, 2017 Author Share #3 Posted August 13, 2017 That was my initial thought, but it's "odd" to me.....Warrant Officer Boatswain patch (insignia)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MastersMate Posted August 13, 2017 Share #4 Posted August 13, 2017 Sleeve device specialty, Boatswain. Worn above the sleeve lace on the service dress blue uniform.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jweitkamp Posted August 14, 2017 Share #5 Posted August 14, 2017 I still think it's for a cap. Most boatswain marks I've seen have unfouled anchors, this one matches the WO hat badges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MastersMate Posted August 14, 2017 Share #6 Posted August 14, 2017 The Boatswains Mate, an enlisted rating, wears the specialty mark of the crossed anchors. The warrant officer specialty of Boatswain has worn the crossed foul anchors just about since the sea was invented.. The specialty mark is worn 1/4 " above the sleeve lace on the service dress blue uniform. They are a sewn on insignia. The older styles were circular cut and hand sewn on. Present day they have a square backing for ease in sewing. Indicates the same class of officer as the line officer star or supply officer oak leaf, etc. The WW2 overseas cap insignia were pin-ons, 5/8 the size of the sleeve device. Gold for the warrant officer and silver for the chief warrant officer. The khaki shirt collar devices were the same size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted August 14, 2017 Share #7 Posted August 14, 2017 Master's Mate is absolutely right, I can show regulations back to 1883 that specify foul anchors for boatswains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MastersMate Posted August 14, 2017 Share #8 Posted August 14, 2017 Useless bit of Naval Trivia.... Any USN enlisted rating that ends in MATE, originally had a corresponding Warrant Officer specialty. I think Boatswain and Aerographer may be the last hold outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jweitkamp Posted August 14, 2017 Share #9 Posted August 14, 2017 Good discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MastersMate Posted August 15, 2017 Share #10 Posted August 15, 2017 Cut a rectangular hole in a card stock 1 1/4" x 1 1/8". The foul anchors should fit within the boundary of the cut out. That was the late 1940s dimensions for the Boatswains devices.. For the Navy warrant boatswain, from bottom to top. The sleeve stripe, 2" above the cuff, then 1/4" above the stripe, the specialty mark.. For the Coast Guard warrant boatswain, from bottom to top. The sleeve stripe, 2" above the cuff, then 1/4" above the stripe, the CG distinguishing mark (shield) then 1/4" above the shield the specialty mark.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRIS FORD Posted March 14, 2018 Share #11 Posted March 14, 2018 Useless bit of Naval Trivia.... Any USN enlisted rating that ends in MATE, originally had a corresponding Warrant Officer specialty. I think Boatswain and Aerographer may be the last hold outs. Gunner too! (when i was a boot, I went to Weapons Dept..we had a Warrant that we referred to as Gunner...that was '92-'96) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted March 14, 2018 Share #12 Posted March 14, 2018 In 1797, the USN introduced its first (recorded) Warrant Officers. They were the Bosun, Gunner, Sailmaker and Carpenter. The Carpenter (and his Mates), were mostly responsible for Repair and Damage Control. Up through my day (retired 1999), the Warrant Damage Control Officer was refereed to as Carpenter, ( familiarly as Chips). He was a Carpenters Square as a collar device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 14, 2018 Share #13 Posted March 14, 2018 Gunner too! (when i was a boot, I went to Weapons Dept..we had a Warrant that we referred to as Gunner...that was '92-'96) I have a CWO4 "Gunner" that works for me at the moment. She is actually a "Ordnance Technician - Surface" but as far as everyone's concerned, she's a warrant "Gunner", and filled that actual job on her last ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRIS FORD Posted March 14, 2018 Share #14 Posted March 14, 2018 In 1797, the USN introduced its first (recorded) Warrant Officers. They were the Bosun, Gunner, Sailmaker and Carpenter. The Carpenter (and his Mates), were mostly responsible for Repair and Damage Control. Up through my day (retired 1999), the Warrant Damage Control Officer was refereed to as Carpenter, ( familiarly as Chips). He was a Carpenters Square as a collar device. Yup! Usually old HTs or Dcmen..though there was a time that HT did all DC stuff too..'72 to '88..I knew quite a few that did both HT and DC..I think they could choose. I have a CWO4 "Gunner" that works for me at the moment. She is actually a "Ordnance Technician - Surface" but as far as everyone's concerned, she's a warrant "Gunner", and filled that actual job on her last ship. Nice!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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