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#1 Edelweisse

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 08:07 PM

Hi Folks:  I attended a local gunshow and this 1st ID (Big Red One) and ADSEC Ike jacket caught my eye. It has two (2) screw type and one (1) pin type DUIs.  I don't know the unit....but I like the dogtag chain enhancement on the patches and the French Fourrage (?). The Ike is dated 1944 and there is five (5) overseas stripes.....I'm trying to ID the UDIs and ensure that they match with the patches.  The jacket isn't named...bummer...but I really like the completeness of the jacket.  Feel free to comment.....Thank you for ID'ing the UDI. 

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#2 Edelweisse

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 08:09 PM

Sorry for the side-ways pictures

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#3 Edelweisse

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 08:11 PM

More pictures....I just really like this jacket & cap

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 08:12 PM

Thanks for looking and I appreciate any help.  THANK YOU!

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#5 Edelweisse

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 08:13 PM

Yuk...sorry for last yuk picture



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 08:24 PM

That DUI is for the 16th Infantry Regiment.

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 08:40 PM

WOW...that was fast....THANK YOU!!!!!   So the DUIs go with the 1st ID.....Thank you.  I like how the soldier had the patches enhanced with the dog tag chain.....which I've seen in the past.  I wish it had the CIB (Infantry) and ribbon bar with name (smile)....but...



#8 Edelweisse

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 08:44 PM

Hi:  Quick question about cord....

 

French Medaille Militaire, Fourragere

 

or

Belgian Fourragere 1940



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 12:45 AM

What's up with the US and branch collar disk insignia?

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 01:08 AM

What's up with the US and branch collar disk insignia?


I would say looking at the Ike overall, if original (and I have little to no knowledge or experience on judging authenticity of uniforms) the soldier who put this together was one proud fella. From the dog tag chain enhancement round the patches, to the DUI on the shoulders officer style; it looks like he up blinged it further by doubling up his US collar discs and putting infantry collar discs where the DUI would have normally gone.

Overall I like it, but yes it's a shame the medal ribbons and CIB are missing, especially if there isn't a name you could work off to establish what he was entitled to medal wise.

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 01:32 AM

The cord is the Croix de guerre fourragere, the medaille militaire would be yellow and green

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 02:06 AM

Cool looking Ike Jacket that belonged to a 16th Infantryman. The DUIs are 16th Infantry and the collar disks are infantry. Wonderful item. Any names or laundry numbers inside the jacket or garrison cap?



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 02:44 AM

What's up with the US and branch collar disk insignia?

 

If you're inquiring about there being two pairs, that's how they were worn from around 1946 to around the beginning of the Korean War.  



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 05:31 AM

One thing is that the DUIs match the former wartime SSI, the 1st Inf Div, not the soldier's current unit SSI. Was that SSI still being worn in the 1946 to 1951 period when EM wore two pairs of collar brass like on your jacket? 



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 05:56 AM

One thing is that the DUIs match the former wartime SSI, the 1st Inf Div, not the soldier's current unit SSI. Was that SSI still being worn in the 1946 to 1951 period when EM wore two pairs of collar brass like on your jacket? 

I think the cut off date for that COMZ patch was February 1946. With the Quad discs coming out in December 1946.

 

See post # 6 by Craig.

http://www.usmilitar...s-unit-patches/


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Posted 13 August 2017 - 06:08 AM

I looked and looked....and I'll look again...but no name or laundry mark (BUMMER)....yes....I figured the added Infantry & "US" disks were just added.  Whoever he was....he was proud of his service....and based upon what I've read about the 16th Ing Reg....and the casualties inflicted on this unit...he should have been. 

 

I'll look again(smile)...I would think he'd put his name in it.



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 06:15 AM

Good link Kevin

Plus there is always that little thing that regulations were not always followed with the discs or DIs.

Have seen a few with double discs and the vets were home in 45.

One comparability uniform I have the vet put on the 76th DIs on the lapels from his former unit.

Screw back and pin back DIs were common to the era as well as local made versions.Clutch back maybe a different period as Im not up on when the 16th used clutch back or came into wide use.

These here look like nice Meyer made.

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 06:30 AM

To your point, as proud as this GI was of his jacket - with all the adornments - I would really be surprised to not have his name in it. Not impossible though.

Most named Ikes I have seen have the name and / or laundry mark right about the base of the neck. I would check for a label in the inside pocket, and even for marks inside the sleeves. While a laundry mark would take some research to connect, a name would be great.

Good luck, and I hope you find something.

I looked and looked....and I'll look again...but no name or laundry mark (BUMMER)....yes....I figured the added Infantry & "US" disks were just added.  Whoever he was....he was proud of his service....and based upon what I've read about the 16th Ing Reg....and the casualties inflicted on this unit...he should have been. 
 
I'll look again(smile)...I would think he'd put his name in it.



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 06:50 AM

I think the cut off date for that COMZ patch was February 1946. With the Quad discs coming out in December 1946.

 

 

 

 

Well, that excellent info dates it pretty good!



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 07:19 AM

 I have no doubt that this jacket has come right out of the woodwork looking the way that it does. Yes, it is disappointing that the jacket isn't named nor is there a laundry mark, but the reality is that jackets aren't always marked. Your soldier probably served for most of his service in the 16th Infantry Regiment (RANGERS!), and when he was detatched from the regiment, he just continued to wear the DUIs that he had as there was nothing to replace them with. This jacket is undoubtedly what the soldier went home wearing and his time in the ETO ADSEC was rather brief.

 

While we can see the regulations for the collar brass changing after the war ended, it should be noted that the 1st Infantry Division had a number of peculiarities specific to the division and as the division was tasked with ceremonial duties and high profile tasks like guarding the war criminals at Nuremberg, they put a high priority of dressing up the uniforms that were worn on duty.

 

For you newer collectors- I recall seeing a 101st A/B Ike with 3rd Cavalry Regiment DUIs on the lapels. Obviously fake right? No, the soldier had served in the 3rd Cav prior to volunteering for parachute training. He fought in the 101st from Normandy to the end of the war, and added his old DUIs on his way home at the end of the war because he didn't have DUIs for the 502nd and wanted more bling. You never know what you might find coming out of the woodwork and not every anomaly is a hump job.

 

Great jacket. You should be very proud of it.

 

Allan 


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Posted 13 August 2017 - 07:24 AM

I just looked t the Ike jacket again....and I see where there was a "Ruptured Duck" Honorable Discharge patch on the so in it's like...this patch was removed...and I see inside where there were ribbon bar/badge "clutch back" pieces.  I also looked again all over the overseas cap...nothing (bummer)  

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 07:29 AM

Thanks Allan for your comments.  I couldn't pass it by.  



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Posted 04 September 2017 - 01:36 AM

Beautiful jacket. Love the dog chain enhancement around the patches.

 

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 06:55 AM

Aren't the Private stripes Post WW2. Blue Edging would take them up to Korean War. 



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Posted 09 September 2017 - 08:21 AM

Aren't the Private stripes Post WW2. Blue Edging would take them up to Korean War. 

No, they are OD embroidered on Black/Navy Blue Wool, WWII, it's the OD embroidered on Blue twill with a flat edge that are post 1951.




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