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Mystery Black Vest Worn by Rangers in 1993, What is It?


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#1 Cap Camouflage Pattern I

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 06:45 AM

I've been wondering what vest they were wearing for a while, unfortunately most pictures of them wearing it are pretty bad, as luck would have it there is one at the National Infantry Museum, I'm hoping with these photos someone will be able to ID it.

 

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 07:40 AM

TG Faust?



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Posted 19 July 2017 - 12:00 PM

No, it is not TG faust, at least not the Special Forces vest used by 1s SFOD-D or any other version they have on their site. Notice the cumberbund and shoulder areas are completely different from the TG Faust SF vest.

 

Mark Bowdens Black Hawk Down book says the Rangers didn't have enough RBA vests to go around, even after collecting all the RBA from the other battalions so some wore black vests provided by delta. 

 

Might be true, maybe an older vest that delta had replaced withe the TG Faust vest, or maybe it came from a soldier misremembered or who didn't take a good look at the differences and just assumed.



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Posted 01 August 2017 - 10:53 PM

Bump, surely somebody must have a clue what it is?



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Posted 21 August 2017 - 08:02 PM

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I believe one is Larry Moores

 

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 08:12 PM

Wrong thread, sorry.



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Posted 24 August 2017 - 06:47 AM

Try putting it on OEF OIF forum. There are some gear experts there.



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Posted 24 August 2017 - 07:00 AM

I might, but it's not OEF, OIF, or 1st Gulf War.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 08:25 AM

bump



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Posted 14 October 2017 - 10:29 AM

It's an A.Z.T. vest made by ZTL. Clay Othic's in particular is a Size Medium dated 1984, when he was evacuated he left his plates behind for other rangers to use. 

 

http://www.usmilitar...y-armor-plates/

here's an old thread about A.Z.T. /S. plates made by ZTL, I am unsure if these are the plates for this vest, but it seems likely to me.

 

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here are the pictures that no longer embed in that most, one more picture coming in next comment due to forum limits.



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Posted 14 October 2017 - 10:29 AM

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Could a moderator please change the name of the thread to "ZTL A.Z.T. vest" please.


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Posted 14 October 2017 - 08:10 PM

Was a great discussion with a LOT of member contributions over on Ox2.  Well worth a read:

 

http://oefoif.forumo...ic-serpent-1993



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Posted 14 October 2017 - 08:14 PM

Still going on, I'm trying to figure out what company ZTL is and where how the vest got to the rangers.




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