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Hello all,

 

I picked up this patch in a mix of other paper items at an antique mall earlier. The patch was in the folded piece of paper that identifies it as the 'Cock of Verdun', which was paper clipped to other unrelated items. I gave it the black light test and it does not glow. Patches, especially WWI patches are not something I know a great deal about. I would greatly appreciate thoughts and opinions from the patch guys on this one.

 

Thanks :)

 

-Ryan

 

 

 

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Gerradtgrant

From what I understand that cheesecloth on the back wasn't used in the WWI period.

 

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Gerradtgrant

I am by no means a professional on this. Just, what I have heard from a very reliable source.

 

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From what I understand that cheesecloth on the back wasn't used in the WWI period.

 

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Interesting... Could this be a 'Patch King' copy? Or perhaps British or French made?

 

The rest of the items that came with the patch suggest that it was donated to an American Legion post in Pennsylvania.

 

I appreciate your input :)

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Interesting... Could this be a 'Patch King' copy? Or perhaps British or French made?

 

The rest of the items that came with the patch suggest that it was donated to an American Legion post in Pennsylvania.

 

I appreciate your input :)

 

 

This looks chain stitched

 

Patch king were full machine embroidered when he made patches as I recall.

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From what I understand that cheesecloth on the back wasn't used in the WWI period.

 

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I am by no means an expert either but I am of same belief and would say this patch is not WW1 period but after

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So how about the potential for a reunion patch? Does anybody have an known original for comparison? The ones I'm finding online vary pretty widely in terms of appearance. I'm still trying to see if I can find anything about the Sylvester D Ziegler whose name was on the paper with the patch. That may shed some light on this.

 

Thanks :)

 

-Ryan

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Patchcollector

Here is an authentic WW1 era patch from my collection that is named.I posted the small group that it came with here on the Forum some years ago.

 

Here is a link to that thread:

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/123950-ww1-ambulance-service-grouping/

 

I'll offer a few thoughts on your patch but please bear in mind that I'm no expert on these.
I like that the patch is chainstitched,and appears to be named.Maybe I'm wrong but I seem to detect some faint holes around the edge,so maybe it was sewn to something at one point?
The piece looks fresh as the proverbial Daisy so that could mean that it was stored well, or that it was more recently made.
The back has the "netting" that has been seen on the Patch King pieces,although,like Doyler,I've not seen Patch King pieces that were chainstitched,but that doesn't mean that there couldn't be any around,as I've not seen it all.
I know that there were patches made for Vets by companies other than Patch King.Studley was one,IIRC.Hope this helps.

 

 

Perhaps some of the WW1 experts such as Dan Griffin will see this thread and chime in.

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Jeffrey Magut

And the back:

 

 

 

Sylvester David Ziegler (11/29/96) service number 10623, served in the Ambulance Service 6/26/17-4/22/19. According to his PA Veterans Compensation Application he served in the Verdun Sector from Jan to July 24, 1918. His Victory Medal Application lists Mechanic as his rank, and awards him Defensive Sector clasp for 1st Army service.

 

Hopes this helps pin down the patch's origin.

 

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Here are some larger images of another of mine for comparison.As you stated earlier,there are many variations of this patch.As with any theatre made pieces,they were made under relatively primitive conditions by individuals as a sort of "cottage industry".

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Hello all,

 

I picked up this patch in a mix of other paper items at an antique mall earlier. The patch was in the folded piece of paper that identifies it as the 'Cock of Verdun', which was paper clipped to other unrelated items. I gave it the black light test and it does not glow. Patches, especially WWI patches are not something I know a great deal about. I would greatly appreciate thoughts and opinions from the patch guys on this one.

 

Thanks :)

 

-Ryan

 

 

 

Ryan, do you know if this was found in the Pennsylvania area? There was an ambulance vet by that name that came from there.

 

Zeigler Sylvester D. Tamaqua Mech. SSU 622 USA Ambulance service. Fr.

 

That doesn't mean much about the patch though. The USAAS held reunions after the war and this may he picked up there. Also, I'm not sure about the chain stitch. I believe that was a popular style in France, but the cheese cloth back still throws me.

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Thanks guys, I appreciate all the additional information :)

 

Beast, yes, I believe this patch was donated to an American Legion post in Harrisonburg, PA by a Vietnam vet. The patch came with some American Legion ID cards from the Harrisonburg and Quakerstown area. Attached to the folded piece of paper that held the patch was a business card with the Vietnam vets name and info and 'Donated by' written on the top of the business card. I don't know what the American Legions accession or deaccession policies are but I assume it was deaccessioned at some point and sold, or potentially just discarded.

 

I wish some of you patch collectors could see this one in hand and examine it. It looks almost 'mint' which makes me lean towards a reunion patch, but maybe he did pick it up in France and just never added it to his uniform.

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