H.R 544 and S.R.765 and NOW S.122

[tarbridge]

Hello all, As you probably have seen the other post we now have the Senate bill to contend...S.R.765

 

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/765

 

Shown Here:

Introduced in Senate (03/29/2017)

 

Private Corrado Piccoli Purple Heart Preservation Act

 

This bill provides that regulations restricting the purchase, production, sale, or exchange of military medals or decorations may not authorize the sale of a Purple Heart awarded to a member of the Armed Forces, unless the sale is conducted by the member to whom the Purple Heart was awarded

 

So make sure you write your Senator and Congressman. ..point out the contradictions in the bill...H.R.544...id attempting to de-monetize the Purple Heart...this lists the exception of allowing the recipient or family to sell.Well if the Bill passes...it will be illegal to buy-sell- or trade.It would not allow the recipient/ family to sell to who?

 

Let's keep the fight up even if you get one of those blah blah blah return responses.

[Teamski]

Big time thanks for the heads up! We now have a two headed dragon to contend with.

 

-Ski

[Teamski]

Looks like the bill was referred to the Commitee of the Judiciary. If your congressman is on the list, PLEASE contact them ASAP to oppose this bad legislation!

 

Republican

1. Bob Goodlatte, VA, Chairman
2. F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr., WI
3. Lamar Smith, TX
4. Steve Chabot, OH
5. Darrell E. Issa, CA
6. Steve King, IA
7. Trent Franks, AZ
8. Louie Gohmert, TX
9. Jim Jordan, OH
10. Ted Poe, TX
11. Jason Chaffetz, UT
12. Tom Marino, PA
13. Trey Gowdy, SC
14. Raúl R. Labrador, ID
15. Blake Farenthold, TX
16. Doug Collins, GA
17. Ron DeSantis, FL
18. Ken Buck, CO
19. John Ratcliffe, TX
20. Martha Roby, AL
21. Matt Gaetz, FL
22. Mike Johnson, LA
23. Andy Biggs, AZ
24. Vacancy

Democrat

1. John Conyers, Jr., MI
2. Jerrold Nadler, NY
3. Zoe Lofgren, CA
4. Sheila Jackson Lee, TX
5. Steve Cohen, TN
6. Henry C. "Hank" Johnson, Jr., GA
7. Theodore E. Deutch, FL
8. Luis V. Gutiérrez, IL
9. Karen Bass, CA
10. Cedric L. Richmond, LA
11. Hakeem S. Jeffries, NY
12. David N. Cicilline, RI
13. Eric Swalwell, CA
14. Ted Lieu, CA
15. Jamie Raskin, MD
16. Pramila Jayapal, WA
17. Bradley Scott Schneider, IL

[Teamski]

Do we want to combine threads?

 

-Ski

[tarbridge]

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2017/4/25/346799/Senator-David-Perdue-Acts-To-Protect.aspx

 

The Georgia contingent needs to send this gentleman a few letters and emails.

[tarbridge]

Do we want to combine threads?

 

-Ski

Let's run concurrently right this minute then maybe we will combine them.

[tarbridge]

Georgia members...please write your Senator...he is vicious...

 

http://www.albanyherald.com/news/local/bill-by-sen-david-perdue-would-make-selling-purple-hearts/article_c03c9721-6238-5061-8115-d04aa2f8cdec.html

[decwriter]

Notice the "current day" presentation case in the photo in the link above? The issued medal is not being returned to a family member.

[tarbridge]

Notice the "current day" presentation case in the photo in the link above? The issued medal is not being returned to a family member.

They don't care if they get it right...just so they "look" good.

[Schofield1943]

They leave open the option for the recipient to sell the medal but they leave aside the fact that if the potential buyer could not resell it eventually they would very likely not be interested in purchasing it in the first place.

 

Or to put it another way - the government is artificially creating a value of $0 by prohibiting the resale while assuming that a recipient who does want to sell it will somehow find a buyer even if the medal artificially had no value. That makes no sense.

 

They want to create a market for the recipient to sell the medal but no market for the buyer to eventually sell the medal. What happens then? Garbage can?

[Thor996]

exactly-garbage can- that's what's gonna happen to a LOT of hearts when these dummies put this through.

[tarbridge]

One of the Facebook posts I put out...

 

Update on H.R.544...and now...S.R.765

Yes.There is now a Bill that has been introduced in the Senate...WHAT a contradiction .

This bill... https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/765

 

Reads as such...

 

Shown Here:

Introduced in Senate (03/29/2017)

 

Private Corrado Piccoli Purple Heart Preservation Act

 

This bill provides that regulations restricting the purchase, production, sale, or exchange of military medals or decorations may not authorize the sale of a Purple Heart awarded to a member of the Armed Forces, unless the sale is conducted by the member to whom the Purple Heart was awarded

 

So...their main argument...to de-monetize the medal...no value...nobody will want or be interested in them (not rational).The Senate bill allows the recipient to sell? The problem, the Bill makes it illegal to buy-sell-trade.You are committing a misdemeanor as would the recipient (recipient would be an accessory to the sale...trade...purchase).

 

Believe it folks...they read our posts and try to correct this mis-guided attempt to remedy something that is not a issue.

Mostly, the most vocal opponents are hypocrites...they collect, and what they collect is okay...but what you collect...is wrong.That is how they think.

 

We now need to make sure to write your Congressman and Senator...point out these new contradictions...never quit...never give up.

 

"Destiny is not a matter of chance...but a matter of choice...It is not a thing to be waited on...but a thing to be achieved". WM.J.Bryan

 

CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES NOW...TELL THEM TO VOTE NO AGAINT THESE TWO ERRONEOUS BILLS!

 

Feel free to contact me...Robert Wilson with questions.

[Thor996]

That's just 'great'. So what's next guys? the silver star? then the bronze star?

[MottTheHoople]

If you can't sell them, they become worthless & things that are worthless get thrown in the trash.

 

Yes, in some cases people are willing to spend a lot of money for a purple heart. Why? So they can desecrate it? So they can dishonor a veteran's sacrifice? Obviously not. People spend money on things that are important to them.

 

This law is a backwards way of looking at historically significant items. No other historical artifacts are treated the way this law is proposing. What a sad way to dishonor our vets.

[rd12]

I've contacted my Congressman about this, now I will contact my Senators as well.

[ParanormalTrooper]

What if you recived the Purple Heart, would that enable you to be a fully legal Purple Heart "dealer"?

 

What if someone in you family got it [the PH], and if you're ever questioned about selling one you just say that it's you family member's medal?

 

 

Just trying to think of some potential loopholes.

[Teamski]

I haven't gotten any updates, so I assume the bills are both still in committee?

 

-Ski

[lettow]

What if you recived the Purple Heart, would that enable you to be a fully legal Purple Heart "dealer"?

 

What if someone in you family got it [the PH], and if you're ever questioned about selling one you just say that it's you family member's medal?

 

 

Just trying to think of some potential loopholes.

The proposed legislation only prevents the sale of the medal. It does not prevent giving it away to someone who bought a box, certificate, dog tag, rank, another medal, etc.

[tarbridge]

The proposed legislation only prevents the sale of the medal. It does not prevent giving it away to someone who bought a box, certificate, dog tag, rank, another medal, etc.

There are "ways" to circumvent many things...the bill needs to be stopped...

[lettow]

There are "ways" to circumvent many things...the bill needs to be stopped...

 

I agree that it needs to be stopped.

 

[Teamski]

Co-sponsors for HR544 are now up to 39! PLEASE contact your representative if they are on the list or on the Judicial Subcommitee.

 

Rep. Courtney, Joe [D-CT-2] 05/01/2017

Rep. Cicilline, David N. [D-RI-1] 04/25/2017

Rep. DeFazio, Peter A. [D-OR-4] 03/22/2017

Rep. Peters, Scott H. [D-CA-52] 03/22/2017

Rep. Rooney, Thomas J. [R-FL-17] 03/17/2017

Rep. Young, David [R-IA-3] 03/10/2017

Rep. Smucker, Lloyd [R-PA-16] 03/08/2017

Rep. Beatty, Joyce [D-OH-3] 03/07/2017

Rep. Rutherford, John H. [R-FL-4] 03/06/2017

Rep. Hill, J. French [R-AR-2] 02/28/2017

Rep. Moulton, Seth [D-MA-6] 02/28/2017

Rep. Coffman, Mike [R-CO-6] 02/27/2017

Rep. Lofgren, Zoe [D-CA-19] 02/21/2017

Rep. Gallagher, Mike [R-WI-8] 02/17/2017

Rep. Norton, Eleanor Holmes [D-DC-At Large] 02/17/2017

Rep. Gallego, Ruben [D-AZ-7] 02/17/2017

Rep. Roe, David P. [R-TN-1] 02/17/2017

Rep. Frelinghuysen, Rodney P. [R-NJ-11] 02/15/2017

Rep. Kind, Ron [D-WI-3] 02/15/2017

Rep. Shea-Porter, Carol [D-NH-1] 02/13/2017

Rep. Thompson, Mike [D-CA-5] 02/13/2017

Rep. Castro, Joaquin [D-TX-20] 02/07/2017

Rep. Calvert, Ken [R-CA-42] 02/02/2017

Rep. Abraham, Ralph Lee [R-LA-5] 02/02/2017

Rep. Cohen, Steve [D-TN-9] 02/02/2017

Rep. Collins, Chris [R-NY-27] 02/02/2017

Rep. Maloney, Sean Patrick [D-NY-18] 02/02/2017

Rep. LoBiondo, Frank A. [R-NJ-2] 02/02/2017

Rep. Grothman, Glenn [R-WI-6] 02/02/2017

Rep. Pingree, Chellie [D-ME-1] 02/02/2017

Rep. Marshall, Roger W. [R-KS-1] 02/02/2017

Rep. Dunn, Neal P. [R-FL-2]* 01/13/2017

Rep. Poliquin, Bruce [R-ME-2]* 01/13/2017

Rep. Jenkins, Lynn [R-KS-2]* 01/13/2017

Rep. Chu, Judy [D-CA-27]* 01/13/2017

Rep. Bishop, Sanford D., Jr. [D-GA-2]* 01/13/2017

[tarbridge]

Please...if your REPRESENTATIVE is on the list or not...Contact them.

[tdogchristy90]

Here's my question. Given our current government make up I could see this passing.

 

However, would it pass the smell test in the long run? Would it go to the courts as unconstitutional? There are plenty of laws that are passed and then thrown out by the court.

 

This seems to fall under that same philosophy. Just like with the flag burning case and freedom of speech, this law suggests court involvement.

[tarbridge]

Here's my question. Given our current government make up I could see this passing.

 

However, would it pass the smell test in the long run? Would it go to the courts as unconstitutional? There are plenty of laws that are passed and then thrown out by the court.

 

This seems to fall under that same philosophy. Just like with the flag burning case and freedom of speech, this law suggests court involvement.

That is understood but we need to fight every step...

[tdogchristy90]

If you can't sell them, they become worthless & things that are worthless get thrown in the trash.

 

Yes, in some cases people are willing to spend a lot of money for a purple heart. Why? So they can desecrate it? So they can dishonor a veteran's sacrifice? Obviously not. People spend money on things that are important to them.

 

This law is a backwards way of looking at historically significant items. No other historical artifacts are treated the way this law is proposing. What a sad way to dishonor our vets.

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I to wonder about the historical value of this. Let's say something that has a major historical significance was found in Japan. The person that found it wants to sell it for whatever reason. Now the smithsonian seeks to raise money to purchase it. Well based on this law they wouldn't be able to purchase it. And being in Japan the law has no legal authority there. So the item would be sold to some random person instead of going to an institution like the smithsonian. It just seems like the law ties the hands of honest institutions, museums, academics, ect trying to preserve history.

 

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