U.S. Property marked 12 Gauge 00 Buck Boxes

[FortJohn]

I have had these awhile.Commercial 00 buck.The boxes are marked US property.Were these for law enforcement or could the military of used these.Being paper hulls they wouldn't have taken wet weather very well.I have a box of all brass 00 Buck.Thanks Greg.

[hirsca]

Military. Good Boxes. I collect them. Please post a picture of the brass 00 Buck.

 

Thanks, Al

[FortJohn]

I just closed the building up.I will get a picture tomorrow,

[silverplate]

At the start of WWII, the standard shotgun for guard, riot and combat use was the 12 GA, using commercially-procured 00 Buckshot. Ordnance specs required that the ammo have a brass head that extended at least .80" up the case body, that was also to be waterproofed. The contracted rounds were to be supplied in either 25 round cartons with a contract label showing the date, lot number and type, or in a commercial carton with a "U.S.Property" stamp. You have examples of the commercial cartons with military property markings. They are getting scarce and are a nice addition to your collection.

 

Your question about the brass casings is relevant too. By 1943, complaints were coming back from the combat theaters about the paper shells not standing up to the weather, a complaint that also occurred during WWI. The problem was solved in 1918 with all brass cases, so Ordnance turned to Winchester and Remington for brass-cased rounds once again. By the end of 1944, 00 Buck in all-brass cases were standard combat issue, with paper hulls being used for training and guard use in the U.S. In March 1945, the M19 round was standardized, and is usually still found in the 10 round cartons. Here is a photo of a 25 round contract carton, as well as a 10 round M19 carton.

[Charlie Flick]

Fort John:

 

You might want to take a look at this old thread on USGI shotgun ammunition which is now found in the Reference section:

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/16671-usgi-shotgun-ammunition/

 

 

Regards,

Charlie

 

[FortJohn]

Thanks for the reading Charlie.I have a box of the tracer rounds but the box was in pieces when I bought it.

[dalbert]

We also have a reference section that includes U.S. military shotgun shells on Machinegunboards.com.

 

http://www.machinegunboards.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12542

 

David Albert

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