anton67 Posted April 17, 2017 Share #1 Posted April 17, 2017 Saw this up on ebay. Was not convinced so I did not bid, but I thought I would post it for feedback. Any thoughts on authenticity, including why you think it is a fake would be helpful to fellow collectors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Andrei Posted April 17, 2017 Share #6 Posted April 17, 2017 I think it's been sold by Baystate Militaria some years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anton67 Posted April 17, 2017 Author Share #7 Posted April 17, 2017 As authentic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnDuc49 Posted April 18, 2017 Share #8 Posted April 18, 2017 Personally don't think it's real. I've never seen BDQ using tigerstripe style patterns of any sort, that was mainly a TQLC thing. While rangers had their own camo pattern, with helmets it seems that early on in the war, there was a set guideline for units for how they should look, but by late war is was mainly handbrushed on by individuals. Also worth saying that by late war, the tiger was no longer painted on the front of helmets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iron bender Posted April 18, 2017 Share #9 Posted April 18, 2017 I agree with AnDuc49. I've been digging all night with no luck. Does anyone have the pic of the 113 crew in 70-71 with the full scale hispanic driver wearing an arvn helmet? There's a black dude sitting on the deck with no hand guards or a missing hand guard on his m16? I'll look more tomorrow through my pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anton67 Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share #10 Posted April 18, 2017 I am sure kammo-man will be able to give us some constructive input here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronny67 Posted April 18, 2017 Share #11 Posted April 18, 2017 No need to summon owen. This helmet is bogus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anton67 Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share #12 Posted April 18, 2017 I expected so. Can you explain why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anton67 Posted April 20, 2017 Author Share #13 Posted April 20, 2017 Any photographic evidence of a real ARVN helmet like this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iron bender Posted April 21, 2017 Share #14 Posted April 21, 2017 Here's a photo of the 113 crew I was thinking of. There are a few better pics that are closeups that I just simply can't locate. (I believe these are a Time Life photog) The camo on the helmet is hard to see in this pic. There's a pic that is taken from about 5 feet in front of the swim vain and you can see the arvn paint job perfectly. I was wrong before, he's not the driver, but driving the gun. Anyhow….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchfoot Posted April 21, 2017 Share #15 Posted April 21, 2017 The guy in the front is wearing his helmet backwards. Better aiming abilities maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon_ib Posted April 21, 2017 Share #16 Posted April 21, 2017 Awesome picture. Love the backwards helmet (I previously thought only done by M60 gunners), ranger lid, and minigun. Is that a helicopter helmet on the guy on the right? Looks a lot like an APH-5/AFH-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksmith Posted April 21, 2017 Share #17 Posted April 21, 2017 That is one awesome photo. GE Minigun? Yikes! On the backwards wear of the M1, there is pictoral evidence of that being done in WWII as well. I stand little chance of finding it, but there's a PTO pic of island Marines, and one is wearing his helmet backwards. The theory I've seen most consistently is that it provided better visibility when firing prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anton67 Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share #18 Posted April 21, 2017 Ok. What about the helmet in question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iron bender Posted April 21, 2017 Share #19 Posted April 21, 2017 FYI in the forward closeups there's a black dude sitting on the link fencing with the hand guards missing from his m16. You can also see the arvn tiger and camo perfectly in detail on the gunner's helmet. The paint job is very similar to the op's helmet, not that I believe the op's helmet is original paint. Until I find the closeup I'll digress (hopefully I can locate it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iron bender Posted April 21, 2017 Share #20 Posted April 21, 2017 That is one awesome photo. GE Minigun? Yikes! On the backwards wear of the M1, there is pictoral evidence of that being done in WWII as well. I stand little chance of finding it, but there's a PTO pic of island Marines, and one is wearing his helmet backwards. The theory I've seen most consistently is that it provided better visibility when firing prone. Marine with flip-flopped helmet in Bruce Canfields US Infantry Weapons WW2, not to get off topic…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksmith Posted April 21, 2017 Share #21 Posted April 21, 2017 Iron Bender, you are the MAN! That is exactly the picture I was referring to. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted April 21, 2017 Share #22 Posted April 21, 2017 Iron Bender, you are the MAN! That is exactly the picture I was referring to. Thank you. That USMS photo is also posted in the carbine topic on Marines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted April 21, 2017 Share #23 Posted April 21, 2017 To me when you blow up the photo looks more like a regular Ranger pattern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iron bender Posted April 21, 2017 Share #24 Posted April 21, 2017 To me when you blow up the photo looks more like a regular Ranger pattern I agree. I'm gonna do my best to find the other (maybe two pics) photo this weekend. The helmet on the gunner has a more typical tiger stripe pattern than the op's posted helmet. I'm in agreement that the helmet in question was very recently enhanced. I am going to say that something very similar to this helmet does exist in period pics. Maybe even one in color? Can't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anton67 Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share #25 Posted April 21, 2017 Iron Bender thank you for all the great information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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