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#26 jhs1970426

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 10:56 AM

There has already been some good advice so I won't be redundant. But one thing that hasn't been said yet, you seem to be relatively new to firearms. If you are looking to purchase a Garand or M1911, make sure you have it checked out by a qualified gunsmith before you take it to the range.

Most military weapons in good condition are safe to shoot however, many former military arms saw a good bit of abuse in their post-martial lives. It is far better to be safe than sorry.

Also make sure when you do buy that you let the person you are buying from know that you intend to shoot the weapon. They may already know if the gun is in fireable condition. Most ethical dealers will steer you away from an unsafe weapon. Still there are un-ethical dealers so even the sellers assurance that the gun is safe to shoot is not enough. Take it to a gunsmith.

Good luck, and enjoy.

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you are absolutely right, along with El Bibliotecario. after many years of model railroading, i ONLY buy from credited dealers. not someone at a flea market who just threw the trains in a box and doesnt care for his items for sale. Actually, thats a bad comparison. But I am the kind of person would ONLY buy from a place that has that kind of services available, like El Bibliotecario suggested buying from CMP. If i am to spend money and buy a gun, i would want it to be functional AND safe, even if I never fire it.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 11:05 AM

the Springfield Armory GI style M1911A1 is a good choice if you plan to do a lot of shooting, you can use it for reenacting, display, at the range.

it's a very good repro of the original GI M1911A1

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 11:27 AM

the Springfield Armory GI style M1911A1 is a good choice if you plan to do a lot of shooting, you can use it for reenacting, display, at the range.

it's a very good repro of the original GI M1911A1



yup... thats the one. although I do not plan on doing alot of shooting though. mainly more for display and being able to say "i finally got that 1911 that i always wanted."
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Posted 13 October 2008 - 11:43 AM

the M1911A1 makes an excellent home defense gun, I keep mine loaded for home defense

the .45 has a good reputation for stopping power if you ever have to defend yourself or your family.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 12:57 PM

Oh, dzandkw and copdoc, dont get me wrong, the GTO is a beautiful car, but I am more of a MOPAR fan. So for me, it would be like buying that multi-million dollar hemi cuda convertible and just looking at it. http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif


MOPAR?????Welllllllllllllll as long as you like Lugers better than P38s and Colt TSMGs better than MP40s I will forgive you. Don't know about dzandkw.
(you did pick the Hemi Cuda, my personal MOPAR favorite, a rocket with wheels.) http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif

One or two guys will roll your yard if you do agree. :lol: One or two if you don't.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 01:09 PM

MOPAR?????Welllllllllllllll as long as you like Lugers better than P38s and Colt TSMGs better than MP40s I will forgive you. Don't know about dzandkw.
(you did pick the Hemi Cuda, my personal MOPAR favorite, a rocket with wheels.) http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif

One or two guys will roll your yard if you do agree. :lol: One or two if you don't.


I dont really know what a TSMG is, but it sounds cooler then an MP40 and there is nothing more sinister looking then a Luger http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif :lol: i have always be a fan of the cuda, although my number 1 favorite is the Challenger (not the new one, im talking about the original 1970 challenger with a bigblock 440, dam thing is a beast... opps, forgot this is a militaria website. no more car talk :lol: :lol: http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 01:12 PM

wait! nevermind, i just got it. TSMG... THompson Sub MAchine Gun right?

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 01:42 PM

opps, forgot this is a militaria website. no more car talk :lol: :lol: http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif

TSMG = THompson Sub Machine Gun

Don't worry about the cars. How else do you get you guns to the range? That happened on the artilley website and I just asked "cannon haulers, how do you get you small artillery pieces to the range?" The mods frowned but allowed it and then posted a few of their own. :lol: It was a pretty neat thread. When I was a kid, I used to take out the spare tire so I could lash the cannon to the jack stud in the trunk of that GTO. Not too surpising that if you like fast guns you like fast cars (or motorcycles, boats, planes)

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 02:04 PM

TSMG = THompson Sub Machine Gun

Don't worry about the cars. How else do you get you guns to the range? That happened on the artilley website and I just asked "cannon haulers, how do you get you small artillery pieces to the range?" The mods frowned but allowed it and then posted a few of their own. :lol: It was a pretty neat thread. When I was a kid, I used to take out the spare tire so I could lash the cannon to the jack stud in the trunk of that GTO. Not too surpising that if you like fast guns you like fast cars (or motorcycles, boats, planes)


"so I could lash the cannon to the jack stud in the trunk" what kind of cannon were you transporting? and what if you got a flat tire on the way home? :lol:

and yes i do like fast cars, guns, planes (only the p-51s) and the PT boats http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif and we can throw computers on that list too. cause the on i am on at work is slower then molasses

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 06:21 PM

"so I could lash the cannon to the jack stud in the trunk" what kind of cannon were you transporting? and what if you got a flat tire on the way home? :lol:

and yes i do like fast cars, guns, planes (only the p-51s) and the PT boats http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif and we can throw computers on that list too. cause the on i am on at work is slower then molasses


Used to haul the 2" muzzle loading naval deck gun in the trunk. If you got a flat tire in those days the cops would haul you and your cannon home. Now they will haul you and your cannon both to a new home. A good friend used to have a P51(it crashed) and Dad had a friend that had a PT boat in the 50s and 60s. You can buy a lot of Lugers and Thompsons and shoot them for what these cost. The friend with the P51 had a phenomenal collection of Lugers and Brooms and we shot most all of them except the 1900 Lugers (leaf recoil springs).

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 06:46 PM

for the price of a P51 or PT today, you can buy a TON of dated, numbers match lugers, 1911s, garands, etc, and not care about firing them.

http://www.mustangsm...42apr2005.shtml check this out. this is just a project plane and look how much it is. that money can buy a heck of alot of guns, parts, hell even your own shooting range.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 06:55 PM

the M1911A1 makes an excellent home defense gun, I keep mine loaded for home defense

the .45 has a good reputation for stopping power if you ever have to defend yourself or your family.


I am sure it is a good weapon for defense. Nothing is more important to me then my family's safety. My only concern is leaving a loaded gun around, you know?

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 06:57 PM

for the price of a P51 or PT today, you can buy a TON of dated, numbers match lugers, 1911s, garands, etc, and not care about firing them.

http://www.mustangsm...42apr2005.shtml check this out. this is just a project plane and look how much it is. that money can buy a heck of alot of guns, parts, hell even your own shooting range.

1.2 million for a fixer upper. Not bad, if you have a little time, some tools, a hanger and about another 1 million bucks for parts and the skilled aircraft mehanics. Oh yea, add the insurance and fuel which will keep costing. I guess guns are cheap.

What is you major and what type of work are you going to do?

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 07:04 PM

1.2 million for a fixer upper. Not bad, if you have a little time, some tools, a hanger and about another 1 million bucks for parts and the skilled aircraft mehanics. Oh yea, add the insurance and fuel which will keep costing. I guess guns are cheap.

What is you major and what type of work are you going to do?


HAHA, yeah if i had a million lying around to fix that thing, then i wouldnt have posted this question :lol: I would just went out and bought garands, 1911s, 1903s, Thompsons, the list goes on, and I would not care about firing them and breaking them :lol: http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif
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Posted 13 October 2008 - 07:42 PM

I shoot all of my firearms. From the Colt Navy Model to the HK G3.


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Posted 13 October 2008 - 11:07 PM

Got's ta shoot! That's why I love all 8mm ( Hakim, FN-49 and the ton of bolt's.)! Also any 7.62x39 or 54, not what the price's used to be but what is :lol:. You can still pick up .30, .308 and .45 all day long but the surplus has dried up quite a bit and the odd stuff( 7.5 Japanese and french, 6.5 Japanese/Italian, 8mm austrian etc.) is all but gone http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/crying.gif , too bad, they were fun to shoot at one time ;) .

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 07:12 AM

Another Country another story!I am also a collector of guns here in Italy,but accordingly to our seemingly strange regolations there are some things I can do and some things I can't do.
There is a number of weapons I can hold at home with a kind of licence and I can use at the shooting range (usually 3 pistols and 5 rifles)and then if I want to collect weapons I need a collection licence that allows me to buy and own weapons exceeding the allowed number.
I CAN collect weapons but not full auto weapons (that is I can forget to buy a Thompson SMG http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/crying.gif ).Until 1975 it was possible to own also these kind of weapons,but then terrorist began to shoot,regulations changed and restrictions came.
I CANNOT own ammunitions for the weapons I have declared in the collection.That gives way to some very strange and embarassing situation:I own a Beretta 98 in 9x21,a Colt 1991 and a Glock 21C in .45 ACP that I use regularly on the shooting range.BUT I also own in my collection a Remington Rand 1911 in .45 ACP and a Walther P38 1943 production in 9x21 (another strange rule http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif :on the civilian market it should not be possible to sell weapons in calibers used by the italian army:since the italian army and the italian police they all use 9x19mm pistols then the barrels of all the other guns in 9x19 had to be "trimmed" in order to accept only the 9x21 caliber.......On the other hand you can buy almost all kind of semiauto rifle in .308W or .223).What does it all go to?I own regularly ammunitions both in 9x21mm and .45 even though sometimes I have to discuss with the police operator at the police station everytime I want to buy a new weapon for the collection and explain him (or her) that I am not going against the law http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/pinch.gif .....
And,last but not least I CANNOT go at the shooting range and shoot with a weapon that is listed in the collection.
Well,sometimes I would like to go and test the P38 or the Mauser 1896 broomhandle but on the other way I cannot forget that those weapons have seen action habe been used and maybe abused so it would not be worth seeing them coming apart just for the desire to see them shooting :lol: !!!

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 08:22 AM

I agree, you should not shoot your grandfather's P38, I had an all matching P38 "BYF 43" made by Mauser and after firing over 3,000 rds the slide broke in half! and ruined a historic piece of WWII militaria.

Was the BYF one of those cheap slave-labor guns? That could explain it. I had a P-38 once but sold it.

I didn't post to this at first, because I don't have many Surplus weapons. I do have a Spanish Mauser that is a pleasure to shoot. And I do have a Lugar and a civilian Walther PP that was brought back by my Dad. The .380 PP is a great target gun to shoot but I was told it was lousy for personal defense. I am a little nervous about shooting the Lugar with all matching serial numbers. I know that there is a "spring" that can easily be broken when removing the slide for cleaning.

I am also a collector of guns here in Italy,but accordingly to our seemingly strange regolations there are some things I can do and some things I can't do.

I had a Question for you. Can you own a Thompson?
Someone in Italy asked me to ship some replacement parts for a Thompson. He could not order from the supplier in the US. I could not believe that he could re-build a Thompson in Italy. Maybe it was converted to semi-automatic.

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 08:35 AM

Was the BYF one of those cheap slave-labor guns? That could explain it. I had a P-38 once but sold it.

I didn't post to this at first, because I don't have many Surplus weapons. I do have a Spanish Mauser that is a pleasure to shoot. And I do have a Lugar and a civilian Walther PP that was brought back by my Dad. The .380 PP is a great target gun to shoot but I was told it was lousy for personal defense. I am a little nervous about shooting the Lugar with all matching serial numbers. I know that there is a "spring" that can easily be broken when removing the slide for cleaning.

I had a Question for you. Can you own a Thompson?
Someone in Italy asked me to ship some replacement parts for a Thompson. He could not order from the supplier in the US. I could not believe that he could re-build a Thompson in Italy. Maybe it was converted to semi-automatic.

Steve


possibly, it was manufactured during wartime, the first time I took it out to test fire the P-38, I loaded 8 rounds in the magazine and pulled back the slide and loaded a round then pulled the trigger and it fired FULL AUTO! all 8 rds came out with one pull of the trigger! I took it back to the gun store and they sent it to their gunsmith to repair it.

I was told that the P38 has a weak slide design and it was common for the slides on wartime P38's to crack near the locking lug.

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 08:35 AM

I had a Question for you. Can you own a Thompson?
Someone in Italy asked me to ship some replacement parts for a Thompson. He could not order from the supplier in the US. I could not believe that he could re-build a Thompson in Italy. Maybe it was converted to semi-automatic.

Steve
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Well,to be honest the only way to own a full auto Thompson is to own a deactivated weapon or to be able to find one of the few that were converted in semiauto only.Then it depens on the collector:usually I look only for original semi auto military weapons because the internal mechanism are all original.Buying something that has been "converted" for the civilian market is in my opinion quite different that owning an original weapon.Of course there is also another chance,that is to own an illegally owned weapon.Well,during the second ww the armies left behind a hell of a lot of things and weapons and not all the weapons have been for sure given to the authorities....

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 04:25 PM

28 years in the military taught me one thing... I love to shoot. I Own an M1 Garand, an M1 Carbine, an M1911, and an AR15 and I shoot them all whenever the opportunity presents itself. Honestly, I am picking up all the ammo I can for these weapons right now. A. Price is going up, B. Availability issues will present themselves soon I think... and C. Call me a pessimist, but I see things going south in the near future, and I intend to have that insurance in the event something untoward happens... unlikely or not, the Boy Scouts said it best... Be Prepared.

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Posted 18 October 2008 - 06:37 AM

This question is for all the firearm owners (the members with the Garands, Carbines, M1911s, 1903s, and EVERYTHING else that goes bang)...

Do you all actually take your guns to the ranges or backyards and fire a few rounds through them? OR do you all just buy them to complete the wonderful displays that i have been seeing over the past few months OR just for collectors items?????

I only ask because I have always wanted a Garand or 1911 and am thinking of getting one for myself as a graduation present. But I am having a difficult time trying to justify myself spending 500 to 1,000 dollars on a rifle or pistol that I will probably *rarely* have the opportunity fire.(which is why i have been posting all the other questions and trying to learn about the 45s and Garands). So any input, thoughts, personal experiences would be appreciated.

Thanks guys!!!



Own a few firearms, and shoot and enjoy them regularly. Here are the historical ones:

Here is my M1 rifle; receiver is 1944, barrel is 1946. Don't forget, an M1 rifle is a main battle rifle. It's designed to take abuse. I don't put "a few" rounds through it; I have no manner of concern for my safety or the rifle's well being whether I put 8, 32, or 120 rounds through it at the range. A lot of collectors treat M1 rifles as if they were made of glass in my opinion
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Here is my Spreewerk manufactured P.38 9mm pistol. It was made in 1944, all original all numbers matching, even the magazine, with the exception of the grips, which are wartime Walther production but may possibly be original to the pistol; I can't prove or disprove it. But all metal is original and numbers matching. As you can see, not only do I shoot it, it is a good shooter. The most rounds I've put through it at one time is 150
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I also own two reproduction forearms; a repro 1862 Colt .36 blackpowder, and a repro 1911A1 .45. I don't treat the old ones any different than the new ones- they all get cleaned lubed and maintained to whistle-clean and I have no problems :)

That is how I enjoy my historic firearms. Others may disagree or object; but these are my possessions and this is how I personally enjoy them. if the slide on my P.38 were to break tomorrow, I would weld it together and make a static display; my logic is: what's the difference? If it breaks I can't use it, but if it's not broken, I can use it. To me I cannot see the difference at all- if it's broken and 'ruined' then it is just as useful as a pristine one that is perfect in every way but is not used for worry it will break. if I were worried it would break, I'd get it magnafluxed, just like my engine block and crank http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif

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