TheMariner Posted February 19, 2017 Share #1 Posted February 19, 2017 I know these were carried by many countries! I know very little about this knife, i did some research on a few sites and still have a number of questions! Firstly i am curious if this is in fact a 3rd Pattern,i read somewhere all of the ones marked england were sold as surplus but i have heard of them being issued to US special forces guys! Can information on this example would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMariner Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share #2 Posted February 19, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw517 Posted February 19, 2017 Share #3 Posted February 19, 2017 I think it's English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMariner Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share #4 Posted February 19, 2017 I think it's English. it is but this knife is allowed to be discussed on the forum, it has been discussed here before because it was also heavily used by US forces and is actually present on at least 2x US patches, 1 SF Group and i believe a marine patch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchcollector Posted February 19, 2017 Share #5 Posted February 19, 2017 I don't know much about these,so I could be wrong about this but your knife looks a lot like one I picked up in the early 80's from,IIRC,Atlanta Cutlery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw517 Posted February 20, 2017 Share #6 Posted February 20, 2017 Does not look old 1980 or newer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted February 20, 2017 Share #7 Posted February 20, 2017 British 3rd pattern late war type.The most common of them all.The ENGLAND is an export marking as these were shipped to the US/Canada for commecial sale and all types of the FS knives were in these expot sales.At times you may find ENGLAND stamped on the upper scabbard too above the belt slots and elastic strap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMariner Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share #8 Posted February 20, 2017 British 3rd pattern late war type.The most common of them all.The ENGLAND is an export marking as these were shipped to the US/Canada for commecial sale and all types of the FS knives were in these expot sales.At times you may find ENGLAND stamped on the upper scabbard too above the belt slots and elastic strap So this is an original ww2 surplus example ? it is also marked england on the scabbard! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted February 20, 2017 Share #9 Posted February 20, 2017 In my uneducated opinion it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne-Hunter Posted February 20, 2017 Share #10 Posted February 20, 2017 In my uneducated opinion it is... Not 100% sure, but I think Doyler is right. Best ABN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgutierrez Posted February 20, 2017 Share #11 Posted February 20, 2017 Doyler,, wouldn't a WWII issue also have the British broad arrow mark somewhere on the guard as well as a cast number near the hilt of the knife? CG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted February 20, 2017 Share #12 Posted February 20, 2017 Mariner, You can learn about it here: http://wilkinsonfscollection.com/wilkinsonfscollection.com/The_Wilkinson_Third_Pattern_F-S.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted February 20, 2017 Share #13 Posted February 20, 2017 Doyler,, wouldn't a WWII issue also have the British broad arrow mark somewhere on the guard as well as a cast number near the hilt of the knife? CG There are many with just England on them. My undestandind if it had the broad arrow it was issued or govt stock. My 2nd Pattern knife from an original 1st Ranger Bn member is broad arrow proofed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted February 20, 2017 Share #14 Posted February 20, 2017 http://gotavapen.se/gota/artiklar/fs/p3/fs_knife_p3.htm Great info here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted February 20, 2017 Share #15 Posted February 20, 2017 I stamp is not Ishapor but the acceptance mark of the India Stores Department, who prewar marked the Broad Arrow and ISD. During the war any stores for India were marked I Some World War 2 vintage F-S knives can be found with a stamp ENGLAND on the hand guard. The stamp ENGLAND was added to the knives after the end of the war by the British. These knives were sold as surplus to USA 1946. 167 000 knives went as a payment for the credits of war over the Atlantic. If you find an American Rifleman from 1947 – 1952 you can read advertisements of these knives sold for $2.95 each! More info from the site... This gives you a look at the markings http://gotavapen.se/gota/artiklar/fs/more/fs_marks_eng.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchcollector Posted February 20, 2017 Share #16 Posted February 20, 2017 British 3rd pattern late war type.The most common of them all.The ENGLAND is an export marking as these were shipped to the US/Canada for commecial sale and all types of the FS knives were in these expot sales.At times you may find ENGLAND stamped on the upper scabbard too above the belt slots and elastic strap That is great news!I'm going to have to dig mine out and recheck the markings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted February 20, 2017 Share #17 Posted February 20, 2017 The Forum Has a pinned section also on the FS knives http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/141639-fairbairn-sykes-fighting-knives/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMariner Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share #18 Posted February 20, 2017 Thanks everyone, the response on this thread have helped me and taught me a ton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactroop Posted February 20, 2017 Share #19 Posted February 20, 2017 I got my first F-S knife in 1974. At that time there were a lot of places you could pick them up. Like yours it was marked on one side of the guard with "England", it also had the broad arrow next to it but no marks following it. On the other side of the handle the guard was marked "Sheffield". I don't consider myself well versed on the subject of F-S knives. I do believe that knife was also a pattern 3, and assumed it was made post war. I have had other people who spent more time studying F-S knives tell me that they felt at least some of the knives coming into the country even at that time were left over WW2 stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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