G-Company Posted February 19, 2017 Share #1 Posted February 19, 2017 Hello, i've been offered these, but would like to know more about them. They are supposedly used for training/ excercise by the u.s. military. They have the exact shape and dimension of a filled metal 8 round clip. On one side you could fit a bullit (to make 8) and i guess it would fit in a rifle. It is all made of aluminium. Has anyone ever seen these? and what period would these haven been used? Thanks in advance for your information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Finn Posted February 19, 2017 Share #2 Posted February 19, 2017 Unusual, never seen them before. Maybe for parade/ceremonial use as they would be lighter in weight than a full cartridge belt with live rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siege1863 Posted February 19, 2017 Share #3 Posted February 19, 2017 I do not believe these are for training. When a full (8 rounds) clip is inserted into the Garand, the top round is stripped off and chambered as the bolt comes forward. With this cast piece, the bolt could not close. I think it was intended to be used in the cartridge belt to give the appearance it was filled. Could they be movie props? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Company Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share #4 Posted February 19, 2017 The details are very accurately done. The maker left,as said, one place "open" for a 8th bullit. Why would they do that if they were to be used as a movie prop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siege1863 Posted February 19, 2017 Share #5 Posted February 19, 2017 What I was seeing are the eight points of the rounds, though not all distinct. What I meant by a prop was to use them in the cartridge belts so they looked as if filled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellasilva Posted February 19, 2017 Share #6 Posted February 19, 2017 I'm not seeing a reason for these to even exist? The bolt can still close without a real/fake clip of ammunition inserted. The only thing that I can come up with is perhaps for drill/parade use, as a way of ensuring that a clip of live ammunition has not been inserted accidentally, or, as Siege stated, maybe as an ammunition belt filler for a movie. Or you can throw them at your enemy and give him a real zinger in the eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Company Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share #7 Posted February 19, 2017 ? So they are definately not for use in the rifle itself. Since they are represented as original and for drill instructions use, they are, let's say, to expensice. Thank you all for your reply, I will consider buying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrayGhost Posted February 19, 2017 Share #8 Posted February 19, 2017 My guess is that it was used my a manufacturer of web equipment for sample testing production. You would not want anything that even looks like live ammunition in a factory and an aluminum cast would be lightweight, durable, and easy to use to test that ammunition belts have the proper fitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWII_GI Posted February 19, 2017 Share #9 Posted February 19, 2017 I think I've seen these labeled before as a block that sits in the rifle so it can be loaded and shot one round at a time. That's why the slot for the 8th round is cut out. -Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Company Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share #10 Posted February 19, 2017 Hello Steven and others, as can be seen in the third picture. The side of the left "clip" has some wear from what i believe a bullet. The other side of the "clip" has the same wear. Also the other one on the right ( although not visible on the picture) has on both sides the "wear". So, to be used in a rifle afterall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad k Posted February 19, 2017 Share #11 Posted February 19, 2017 I think I've seen these labeled before as a block that sits in the rifle so it can be loaded and shot one round at a time. That's why the slot for the 8th round is cut out. -Steven that's what I was thinking too. I've got most of the garand collector books and dont remember seeing these but will check Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad k Posted February 19, 2017 Share #12 Posted February 19, 2017 the closest thing I found was in Bruce Canfield's big garand book that showed a wooden block that fit inside an actual clip that had both ends grooved and used for training on loading. looks like the same idea as yours. I would think another use could be for range fireing of rifle grenades. canfields book is pretty complete so I would think your item is pretty uncommon, maybe they decided they were too costly for the task, looks like a good collectible to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STG44 Posted February 20, 2017 Share #13 Posted February 20, 2017 I think I've seen these labeled before as a block that sits in the rifle so it can be loaded and shot one round at a time. That's why the slot for the 8th round is cut out. -Steven Yes, that's what it is. BRP Corp sells them, they came in with a huge shipment of parts from Greece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Company Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share #14 Posted February 20, 2017 Wow, that is why this forum rocks . With a little help.... These are apparently M1 Garand Training Clips & single shot device (original GI) These images are from the website of BRP Corp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Company Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share #15 Posted February 20, 2017 Yes, that's what it is. BRP Corp sells them, they came in with a huge shipment of parts from Greece. Does that say anything about the age or period they were used? Could these be WW2 period? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Company Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share #16 Posted February 20, 2017 To everyone who replied: Thanks for the help and suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccyooper Posted February 21, 2017 Share #17 Posted February 21, 2017 Most garand collectors I have talked to believe they were not produced by the US, but who knows for sure. I also believe someone posted a similar thread on the CMP forum but I could not find it in their search engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STG44 Posted February 21, 2017 Share #18 Posted February 21, 2017 Does that say anything about the age or period they were used? Could these be WW2 period? image1 (3).JPG Could possibly be WWII but not sure. All of the other parts that came in with them were WWII surplus. They were mixed in with Garand, Springfield, Thompson, BAR, Enfield, Sten, & Bren parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backtheattack Posted February 22, 2017 Share #19 Posted February 22, 2017 Interesting theme. Had seen open pouches for the M1 Carbine, stitching open in the middle between the two parts, and they came from Greek, too. And I remember the German gun law from 1973 to 2003 with a ban of more than 5 rounds in a magazine which leads to M1Carbine mags which are blocked for more, or for Garand Clips with are blocked in the same way so you can only load 5 rounds. Some European countries allows only single-shot rifles, maybe this was a way to fulfill the law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambo35 Posted February 23, 2017 Share #20 Posted February 23, 2017 Why do the aluminum blocks have 1944 stamped on the side, maybe WW2 issue? Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROBS Posted February 23, 2017 Share #21 Posted February 23, 2017 Probably fake stamps on a European part used to make the rifle legal (single shot). Or fake stamps on an original training device? Are the ones from BRP marked? It doesn't appear that way from the pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STG44 Posted February 24, 2017 Share #22 Posted February 24, 2017 Probably fake stamps on a European part used to make the rifle legal (single shot). Or fake stamps on an original training device? Are the ones from BRP marked? It doesn't appear that way from the pics. I did not see any that were marked in the BRP lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROBS Posted February 24, 2017 Share #23 Posted February 24, 2017 I would figure if these were actually USGI we would have seen something about them in a training manual or other such information. I'm not sure how this would really benefit anything for training.. I would think they would want you to use the rifle as fully intended. -Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronny67 Posted February 24, 2017 Share #24 Posted February 24, 2017 These could be useful if you were first introducing guys to the M1 rifle system. Truth be told, I have considered investing in something similar to show people the correct way to load, and eject a full clip without catching your thumb. When I go shooting with my friends who only shoot modern ARs and Plastic fantastic sidearms; they need a quick walkthrough of the quirks of the M1 before I turn them loose with M2 ball. However, this would only be useful for showing how to load the clip, then eject it with the right side ejector button. To practice those action, plus loading and dry-fire an empty clip loaded with 30-06 snap caps would be best. So not totally useless, just odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROBS Posted February 24, 2017 Share #25 Posted February 24, 2017 You're right not useless just not overly useful. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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