Phantomf4 Posted January 26, 2017 Share #1 Posted January 26, 2017 Does anyone have a list or know what unit patches where made in 1st pattern subdued on twill in the Vietnam era? here is a list of some I've seen. 1st aviation brigade 4th 9th 23rd 25th divisions 1st cav 11th acr 1st and 2nd field force usarv 198th 199th infantry brigades 18th and 20th engineer brigades 1st logistical command. I think I may have seen a MACV and a 1st medical brigade once. I have never seen or heard of a 101st airborne or 1st division. any help would be appreciated. oh and do they repro any of these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted January 26, 2017 Share #2 Posted January 26, 2017 Special Forces and sleeve ranks too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATCHRAT Posted January 26, 2017 Share #3 Posted January 26, 2017 Here is what I know of or have. There some subdued twill/cloth patches made in Germany, and Korea also that could be from the period (not listed here). I also have a 1st Bn 75th Ranger made the same style but its later than the VN era 1st issue subdued listed below. MACV USA VIETNAM CAPITAL MILITARY ASSISTANCE COMMAND 1ST FIELD FORCE 2ND FIELD FORCE SPECIAL FORCES 1ST CAVALRY 4TH ID 9TH ID 23RD ID 25TH ID 1ST ARMORED DIV 11TH ACR 1ST AVN BDE 18TH ENG BDE 20TH ENG BDE 11TH INFANTRY 173RD INFANTRY 196TH INFANTRY 198TH INFANTRY 199TH INFANTRY 44TH MED BDE 18TH MP BDE 1ST SIG BDE 125TH TRANS BDE 1ST LOG CMD AIRBORNE TAB ARMY AVIATION SCHOOL JUNGLE EXPERT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefighter Posted January 26, 2017 Share #4 Posted January 26, 2017 Also the 2nd Armored Div.And some of those units had variations; 4th ID, 9th ID, 1st FFV, 1st AVN BDE, 44th MED BDE, 199th INF BDE, & I think a couple of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e19 Posted January 26, 2017 Share #5 Posted January 26, 2017 SF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 27, 2017 Share #6 Posted January 27, 2017 That's a great patch e19, very striking with the reverse colors, is it U.S. made flat edge? The tab looks U.S. made I'm thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e19 Posted January 27, 2017 Share #7 Posted January 27, 2017 Yes, both were cut edge and of US manufacture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e19 Posted January 27, 2017 Share #8 Posted January 27, 2017 Another, unused with a different version of the tab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted January 28, 2017 Share #9 Posted January 28, 2017 I have always thought the reversed color SF were made either in Korea or Germany. As far as the 101st, there was an early subdued version made in Germany that is often confused for a US made subdued on twill. One of the best sources on the early subdued on twill patches is Jim McDuff's book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefighter Posted January 28, 2017 Share #10 Posted January 28, 2017 I have always thought the reversed color SF were made either in Korea or Germany. As far as the 101st, there was an early subdued version made in Germany that is often confused for a US made subdued on twill. One of the best sources on the early subdued on twill patches is Jim McDuff's book. McDuff had two books.I think they both show the twill versions.One was mainly sketches the other photographs of original patches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e19 Posted January 28, 2017 Share #11 Posted January 28, 2017 Both of the black arrowheads in my pics were issued to me, and came from a US manufacturer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted January 28, 2017 Share #12 Posted January 28, 2017 Both of the black arrowheads in my pics were issued to me, and came from a US manufacturer. Well that clears that up. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted January 28, 2017 Share #13 Posted January 28, 2017 By the way, probably the two rarest subdued on twill patches are 1st and 2nd Armored. I have only seen a couple show up in the last twenty years, and they went for ridiculous prices. The patches were only worn for a limited amount of time in Vietnam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantomf4 Posted January 28, 2017 Author Share #14 Posted January 28, 2017 Great info everybody, so what about a 1st infantry division? Don't think I've seen one if those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarhooten Posted January 28, 2017 Share #15 Posted January 28, 2017 Have to agree on the Armored ones! I have given up on getting those two! I will have a real 318th Log. Cmd before I would have one of these! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefighter Posted January 28, 2017 Share #16 Posted January 28, 2017 Here are my 1st issue twill's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e19 Posted January 28, 2017 Share #17 Posted January 28, 2017 What was the date of "1st Issue"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 28, 2017 Share #18 Posted January 28, 2017 What was the date of "1st Issue"? I would say 1966, like by late summer, seen the type being worn in the 25th Infantry Division yearbook of 1966, this particular book goes up till around September 1966, as it was released for the division's 25th Anniversary, which was in October 1966. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vzemke Posted January 29, 2017 Share #19 Posted January 29, 2017 Didn't see it mentioned above, but the Strategic Communcations Cmmand patch also exists in this style. I'll see if I can dig out my example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e19 Posted January 29, 2017 Share #20 Posted January 29, 2017 I would say 1966, like by late summer, seen the type being worn in the 25th Infantry Division yearbook of 1966, this particular book goes up till around September 1966, as it was released for the division's 25th Anniversary, which was in October 1966. I never saw any, SF or other at Bragg back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longhorn92 Posted January 30, 2017 Share #21 Posted January 30, 2017 I have the one e19 has but it's merrow edged. I got it from an SFer who used to post here from time to time. He said he got it at Bragg in '68 I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted January 30, 2017 Share #22 Posted January 30, 2017 I never saw any, SF or other at Bragg back then. I believe they were not issued Army wide at first. My understanding is that the first batches were sent straight to Vietnam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted January 30, 2017 Share #23 Posted January 30, 2017 Another tough one to get is the 173rd with the attached Airborne tab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 30, 2017 Share #24 Posted January 30, 2017 I never saw any, SF or other at Bragg back then. Right, only in the RVN. I will scan fotos from this 66 book ot post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
468abnarm Posted January 30, 2017 Share #25 Posted January 30, 2017 I believe they were not issued Army wide at first. My understanding is that the first batches were sent straight to Vietnam. That is correct. They were to be used in lieu of the dyed full color & stenciled/printed versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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