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#1 SgtMaddoxUSMC

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 06:41 PM

Hello USMF!  I wanted to start a thread where everyone can contribute photographs of old and rare USMC ranks being worn!  I am working on a little research project regarding the history of enlisted rank chevron so it would help me to see what you guys can share!  Thanks in advance! -S/F, Maddox

 



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Posted 13 December 2016 - 06:46 PM

I'll start with one that I came across while browsing old auctions on WorthPoint..  Also, I should add if anyone owns any of the photos, please contact me!  

Here's a great group shot of Marines wearing the 1898 seam to seam chevrons!  Check out the Gunnery Sergeants on the ends (and with only one service stripe each!)!

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 06:47 PM

Close up:
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Posted 13 December 2016 - 06:47 PM

I own the other image that seller offered...

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 06:48 PM

Close up 2:
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Posted 13 December 2016 - 06:49 PM

I own the other image that seller offered...

Is it here on the forum anywhere?  Would love to see it!  (especially if you can see the ranks (:  )



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Posted 13 December 2016 - 07:00 PM

I didn't get a chance to scan it. Have to dig it up, same group of guys plus the rest of the complement



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Posted 13 December 2016 - 07:00 PM

Here is a shot of 1925 (?) Quartermaster Sergeant:

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 07:09 PM

Very rare that he's still wearing the SSI



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Posted 13 December 2016 - 07:30 PM

Very rare that he's still wearing the SSI

I thought it was a bit late for that too!  I could be wrong on the year but that rank is at least after 1922 so even if I'm off, it's not by much...



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Posted 13 December 2016 - 07:40 PM

Here is a photo of the ninth Drum Major Hurshel D. Pryor wearing the Drum Major seam to seam rank from the 1912 series:

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 07:41 PM

Here's the NCO Mess at the Philadelphia Navy Yard in December 1921.  A couple of sergeants, quartermaster sergeants, a gunnery sergeant, and a chief petty officer.

 

My great uncle Hugo Winter is on the far left.  He was a veteran of Vera Cruz, Haiti, and eventually Nicaragua.

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 07:49 PM

That's a great shot Scott!  Looks like a First Sergeant center rear and also Sergeant Major center front!  Almost all ranks accounted for! :D  I do love those seam to seams!  Even cooler that you have family in the photo!


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Posted 13 December 2016 - 08:17 PM

20th Band Leader of "The President's Own", Taylor Branson wearing the 2nd Band Leader seam to seams (1912 series chevrons):

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Posted 14 December 2016 - 06:57 PM

Here is the 1912 Gunnery Sergeant dress chevron being worn by GySgt Earnest A. Janson, who won two Medals of Honor, one from the Navy and one from the Army.

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Posted 14 December 2016 - 07:34 PM

Here is a Marine wearing an early Gunnery Sergeant service chevron (unsure which specification year) while firing the Lewis Gun around the first World War

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Posted 15 December 2016 - 03:27 PM

I am not a photo collector or anything but here are some I've found in the Library of Congress online collection.

 

Here's a first-pattern gunnery sergeant with three ties, USS Indiana c. 1901.

 

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Detail from:

http://www.loc.gov/p...t1994013754/PP/

 



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Posted 15 December 2016 - 03:33 PM

White-on-white sergeant with Lee rifle, Spanish-American War period, USS New York.

 

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http://www.loc.gov/p...t1994013999/PP/

 



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Posted 15 December 2016 - 03:41 PM

This isn't really a rank but I thought it was interesting, A&I Department insignia on dress whites, 1930:

 

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http://www.loc.gov/p.../hec2013006017/

 



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Posted 15 December 2016 - 03:51 PM

Marine Band, 1942:

 

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http://www.loc.gov/p...a1992001295/PP/

 



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Posted 15 December 2016 - 03:52 PM

Detail of stripes:

 

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Posted 15 December 2016 - 05:31 PM

Some great shots there!!!  Thanks for sharing!  Love that early Gunny chevron and the A&I department device!  I am still working on collecting all of the department devices and it is turning out to be quite difficult! 



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Posted 16 December 2016 - 04:52 AM

Here is a shot of 1925 (?) Quartermaster Sergeant:

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He's wearing a Purple Heart, so that puts the photo at 1932 at the earliest.  Being that he's wearing that 2nd Division patch, I would say  this is more of a "veteran" type photo, as opposed to an active duty photo.   Great photo (as are all the others in this thread).



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Posted 16 December 2016 - 06:59 AM

20th Band Leader of "The President's Own", Taylor Branson wearing the 2nd Band Leader seam to seams (1912 series chevrons):

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I forgot to ask, does anyone know when the lyre replaced the trumpet on the chevrons for the second leader? Apparently he held that position 1921-1927.

 

Great idea for a thread!

 

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Posted 16 December 2016 - 10:25 AM

Here is another great Band shot...  All the band ranks of the time are present as well as some prominent members.

First, front and center, is Director William H. Santelmann who served as such from 1898-1927 when he retired from the Band.
Immediately to his left is Second Leader Walter F. Smith who served as 2nd Leader from 1899-1921 when he retired.
Upon Smith's retirement, Taylor Branson would become Second Band Leader from 1921-1927 and then took over as Director when Santelmann retired.  He would serve in that capacity until he was medically retired in 1940 after over 40 years of service.  
Last person of interest, is Drum Major Hurshel Pryor (from post 11) standing second to last row in the center.
I date this photo between 1917 and 1921 being that the musicians are wearing the Field Music chevrons and also the fact that Branson is not yet in the Second Leader position.

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