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#126 hink441

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 05:20 PM

A recent find.

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#127 L11-VELASCO

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 06:23 AM

Hi Alls
I would like to know wether this US NAVY Seal Trident badge could be a current genuine badge or one from those not real use,only for collectors???
Has any markings that I could not see very clear in pic from seller,any idea what is it,any maker stamping or contract number?
Sizes:7 cm x 3,5 cm
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:04 AM

Hi Alls
I would like to know wether this US NAVY Seal Trident badge could be a current genuine badge or one from those not real use,only for collectors???
Has any markings that I could not see very clear in pic from seller,any idea what is it,any maker stamping or contract number?
Sizes:7 cm x 3,5 cm
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88192980_093818.jpg
Thanks in advance
Fernando

I believe it is another Communist Chinese copy.  The V-21-N hallmark is the manufacturing code provided by the government for use by the Vanguard Insignia Company.  When I started seeing these on eBay I thought Vanguard had gone overseas to have their insignia manufactured to save on labor costs.  However in another thread a forum member who was in contact with Vanguard stated that these Chinese manufactures are utilizing their manufacturing code (hallmark) unlawfully and it was simply cost prohibited for them to try and stop them in court.  I don't know why they added the "CH" which probably stands for CHINA.  Below is another early counterfeit Trident made in China.  They are currently being sold on eBay and my guess is that a few have made their way into the hands of Seals who wear them unknowingly because they are hard to distinguish from the real US manufactured Tridents.     

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#129 L11-VELASCO

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:09 AM

I believe it is another Communist Chinese copy.  The V-21-N hallmark is the manufacturing code provided by the government for use by the Vanguard Insignia Company.  When I started seeing these on eBay I thought Vanguard had gone overseas to have their insignia manufactured to save on labor costs.  However in another thread a forum member who was in contact with Vanguard stated that these Chinese manufactures are utilizing their manufacturing code (hallmark) unlawfully and it was simply cost prohibited for them to try and stop them in court.  I don't know why they added the "CH" which probably stands for CHINA.  Below is another early counterfeit Trident made in China.  They are currently being sold on eBay and my guess is that a few have made their way into the hands of Seals who wear them unknowingly because they are hard to distinguish from the real US manufactured Tridents.     


Yes Finally I discovered they are Chinese copies Im afraid.
Well do you think if I order a Trident Seal directly from Vanguard site I will have a genuine an original Seal Trident in my collection?
I saw them on Vanguard site.

#130 manayunkman

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:11 AM

A great thread.



#131 Tonomachi

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:11 AM

Here is what the current Trident produced by Vanguard looks like.

 

 

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:14 AM

Here is what the current Trident produced by Vanguard looks like.
 
 

Very nice indeed,do you think I could order one like this directly from Vanguard site...there it would be a current and genuine one?

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 06:01 AM

Please can someone post the differents Hallmarks(original not Chinese copies) from Vanguard seen on US trident badge een until now and period use?
Thanks
Fernando

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#134 digi-shots

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Posted 09 September 2018 - 06:19 PM

Heres one I recently picked up...

UDT Team Instructor???

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Posted 09 September 2018 - 07:13 PM

Training Instructor?

#136 Tonomachi

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Posted 10 September 2018 - 02:51 PM

There are three different sellers on eBay that have had fake UDT or Seal Team uniform tapes manufactured for them over the years so you have to be careful.  Two of these sellers advertises them as reproductions but once it leaves their hands and is sewn on a uniform, laundered a couple of times and then removed can fool people.  Your piece although kind of stubby in width looks real.  I would have thought it would have been wider unless the ends were cut off after it was removed from the uniform.  How about a picture of the back?  I believe you have an early UDT/TI tape due to the material it is sewn upon.  The OD herringbone material and white lettering matches the earlier UDT instructor tape combination of USN/UDT tape sewn in conjunction to and above INSTRUCTOR tape.  



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Posted 11 September 2018 - 12:06 PM

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Here is a UDT/TI tape I have. There seems to be several variations. I have never seen these used by WC instructors. These are EC related.

 



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Posted 11 September 2018 - 12:20 PM

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Tonomachi mentioned "OD herringbone material and white lettering matches the earlier UDT instructor tape combination of USN/UDT tape sewn in conjunction to and above INSTRUCTOR tape"  This a version on this tape combination that I have that may have already been posted. too lazy to scroll back thru the topic.

 



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Posted 12 September 2018 - 03:09 AM

It is a bit on the short side... heres a pic of the back

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 06:00 PM

Here are a couple of items that are marked "UDT 21" (mods please move if not appropriate in this section)

 

The helmet/liner and od green bag are marked UDT 21 and belonged to a former UDT 21 member who was stationed at Little Creek..  He was on the recovery team for two of NASA Gemini capsule missions and assisted in placing the flotation collar around the capsule of Gemini 4. 

 

A lot of UDT and SEAL items don't show up very often and I thought I'd add these to this UDT thread.

 

Thanks for looking.

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 06:15 PM

It is a bit on the short side... heres a pic of the back

 

 

Material and sewing look typical...I would say it was trimmed down for some reason




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