Pre- WW1 Wounded Marines can you ID?

[scottiques]

These Marines looks like they were in a tough fight or possible some sort of explosion.

 

The one in the wheel chair is missing his arm just below the elbow.

 

The image is on a large board, but any identifying information was lost when it was cut down.

 

Any thoughts or information on identifying the Marines or the event are appreciated.

 

THANKS.

 

Scott

 

 

 

 

[cutiger83]

Not sure where this picture was taken.

 

It doesn't look to me like the guy in the wheelchair lost his arm. It looks like it is tucked into the sling around his neck.

 

...Kat

[patches]

Well could be a number of places in combat related, China or the Philippines in the 1900-early 1900s to name but two.

[scottiques]

Not sure where this picture was taken.

 

It doesn't look to me like the guy in the wheelchair lost his arm. It looks like it is tucked into the sling around his neck.

 

...Kat

 

 

That is what I thought at first-- but on close look, part of the arm is missing. The stump is resting on the chair rest and there is a large mass of bandage clumped together outside of the sling.

 

Additionally, the sling looks empty and I'd expect to see a hand out of the end.

 

Here is a blow up that may show more detail.

 

Scott

 

[Bellumbill]

I believe those are the M1910 sweaters so I would say this photo dates to sometime after 1910 - Also, hard to tell but the campaign hats looks like they COULD be the peaked caps that have been refashioned to match the old Span. Am. type campaign caps. IF so, also would seem to date these photos to sometime after 1910. The date aside, as you know the marines were in action in many places in that period, Veracruz, Haiti, Nicaragua, China, etc.

 

Nice pics, thanks for posting.

 

Very best,

 

Bill K.

[scottiques]

I believe those are the M1910 sweaters so I would say this photo dates to sometime after 1910 - Also, hard to tell but the campaign hats looks like they COULD be the peaked caps that have been refashioned to match the old Span. Am. type campaign caps. IF so, also would seem to date these photos to sometime after 1910. The date aside, as you know the marines were in action in many places in that period, Veracruz, Haiti, Nicaragua, China, etc.

 

Nice pics, thanks for posting.

 

Very best,

 

Bill K.

Thanks Bill-- appreciate the feedback and narrowing of the date.

 

I knew it was a shot in the dark to ID-- thought someone might recognize something from the photo to pinpoint it further.

 

Scott

[cutiger83]

 

 

That is what I thought at first-- but on close look, part of the arm is missing. The stump is resting on the chair rest and there is a large mass of bandage clumped together outside of the sling.

 

Additionally, the sling looks empty and I'd expect to see a hand out of the end.

 

Here is a blow up that may show more detail.

 

Scott

 

DSCF5233.JPG

 

 

The way the sling is pulled tight makes me think there is some weight in the sling. If you look in the bottom left corner under the arm of the chair, it looks like there is a hand inside the sling.

 

Either way, this is a nice and interesting picture. Thanks for posting....Kat

[Dirk]

Pretty sure it is not China....definitely not Peking. If the M1910 Sweater ID is correct then I would vote for Veracruz. On the standing Marine is there company or regimental numbers on his field hat? A set with number and letter is most likely the Philippines. Also looking for clues in the framed window and masonry maybe Butler's 1912 Nicaragua interventionn when the Marines lost a number of men in the fighting.

[scottiques]

Pretty sure it is not China....definitely not Peking. If the M1910 Sweater ID is correct then I would vote for Veracruz. On the standing Marine is there company or regimental numbers on his field hat? A set with number and letter is most likely the Philippines. Also looking for clues in the framed window and masonry maybe Butler's 1912 Nicaragua interventionn when the Marines lost a number of men in the fighting.

 

 

Thanks much Dirk-- I appreciate your observations. Just the kind of insight I was looking for!

 

I don't see anything on the hat other than the EGA (close up below).

 

Scott

 

 

[sgtdorango]

Is there anything on that table by the bed that might lend a clue?....is that a little brass tag on front?....maybe those fliwers only grow in a certain region...ok maybe im overthinking it now!!.....mike

[world war I nerd]

The Campaign Cover worn by the standing wounded Marine looks to be Army issued as opposed to a USMC pattern 1912 Campaign Cover which had a slightly shorter crown with a less pronounced peak and a folded & sewn brim.

 

Note how narrow the unfolded brim on the suspected Army issued hat is (left) compared to the edge of the doubled over USMC campaign cover (right).

 

It also looks as if the Army campaign hat may have five rows of stitching around the edge of the brim. This however, could just be a shadow. If there was stitching on the brim, the photo would date to 1913 or later. The first specification (1912) Army campaign hat had no reinforcing stitching around its brim. The second pattern, which was adopted on April 10, 1913, had five rows of stitching added to help keep the brim straight.

 

Attached is a comparison of the hat in the photo with a USMC P1912 Campaign Cover worn by Stoney Bylas of the 11th Marines ... USMC caver photo courtesy of the John Adam-Graf collection

[world war I nerd]

Also, 'm not aware of any USMC issued sweaters, but there's still a lot I don't know about pre-WW I USMC clothing ...

 

The question, did the Marines ever issue a sweater has always vexed me. Was there such a thing as a USMC issued sweater? If yes, can someone please post or PM me a photo or information?

 

If it turns out that there was not a USMC issued sweater, the sweater in the photo is definitely not an Army issued 1911 Service Sweater. The Army's sweater was an olive drab, pullover with a three button placket collar. Again, if not a USMC issued sweater, the sweater, the photo worn in the photo was probably issued to patients at the hospital.

 

As far as I know, in the early 20th century the Army only issued three types of sweaters between 1904 & 1917:

 

1904 Service Sweater - an olive drab pullover without pockets, but with a turtle neck (not shown)

1911 Service Sweater - an olive drab pullover with a three button collar and two side pockets (left)

1917 Aviators Sweater - an olive drab, cardigan with a buttoned front, two side pockets and a collar (right)

[kfields]

A couple of observations and comments:

I wonder what kind of belt buckle the guy who is standing is wearing? I can't quite make out the detail.

I noticed there is an electric light and glass shade by the fellow in the wheel chair. I wonder if that style bulb can help date? Or maybe one can say it is not taken at a remote isolated location as there would be no electricity.

The fellow in the wheel chair has an old style rattan wicker wheel chair.

Most/all hospitals generously label there equipment and even the patient issued clothing. I don't see any marked clothing but I can almost see letters and or numbers in the exposed arm of the wheel chair. Might be my imagination!

Kim

[firefighter]

They one laying in bed with face badged looks just like a buddy of mine when I was in the AF.

[Linedoggie]

 

 

That is what I thought at first-- but on close look, part of the arm is missing. The stump is resting on the chair rest and there is a large mass of bandage clumped together outside of the sling.

 

Additionally, the sling looks empty and I'd expect to see a hand out of the end.

 

Here is a blow up that may show more detail.

 

Scott

 

DSCF5233.JPG

There is definitely weight of something in the sling. it wouldnt hang like that if empty and he wouldnt need one if his arm was amputated at the elbow

[Ronnie]

Agree that there is something in the sling....probably an arm.

Ronnie

[Alec]

It is a Marine issued 1912 campaign hat. It has a turned under brim which would have two rows of stitching.