Murphy92 Posted September 26, 2016 Share #1 Posted September 26, 2016 Hi from France I found recently near Paris these beanies both : They were not tainted after assembly. The wool used to make them is good of red color: . One of them still has the label giving evidence that it is about an English manufacturing dating 1943 : On a French forum, we referred me to the track of a hairdressing survival signal for pilots and members of crews lost at sea or survival gear for cold region even Arctic Of what think of it you? Have already met you this kind(genre) of hairstyle? Thank you in advance for the information that you can pass on(transmit) me.RegardsMurph ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted September 26, 2016 Share #2 Posted September 26, 2016 Just British made model of the standard US Army jeep cap. The wool color on these is more orangeish brown than the US olive drab as I call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navybean Posted September 27, 2016 Share #3 Posted September 27, 2016 I have a British made version like these but mine is standard US olive drab Do the hats looks like they have been died red? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted September 27, 2016 Share #4 Posted September 27, 2016 I wonder that too but the lable looks unaffected by any dye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted September 27, 2016 Share #5 Posted September 27, 2016 Interesting cap. The tag doesn't seem to be discolored right? From what we're gathering, OP says on another forum this has been IDed as Survival cap for Aircrew, Red (I think it's more Orange too doyler) for visibility when downed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted September 27, 2016 Share #6 Posted September 27, 2016 Im not sure about the survival conection. Granted the jeep cap was worn by many in the Army and Army Air Corps.I even have one in a nurses group.The Air Corps had survival hats in the kits and the had the A4 knit cap(like the watch cap) for wear as well in cold enviorments.Never seen a red A4 cap either Maybe Dustin or Survival can shed more information on these red caps. Personally I dont see them as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted September 27, 2016 Share #7 Posted September 27, 2016 I have never seen one of these before Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted September 27, 2016 Share #8 Posted September 27, 2016 Would this be something made by this particular firm during the war for the civilian market in England, just using different color wool??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted September 27, 2016 Share #9 Posted September 27, 2016 Would this be something made by this particular firm during the war for the civilian market in England, just using different color wool??? Not in my opinion.The broad arrow is a military stamp much like on the FS fighting knives.There were private purchase knives but the ones with broad arrow were issue items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy92 Posted September 27, 2016 Author Share #10 Posted September 27, 2016 Hi everybody Thank you for your interventions ...I will try to take pictures in natural light but for information the wool is really red pulling effect to orange.As for the track "hair survival" I'm just relaying a French hypothesis non further supported by official documentation.Also, I am always curious for informations you can provide me about this "UFO" Regards Murph' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted September 27, 2016 Share #11 Posted September 27, 2016 Not in my opinion.The broad arrow is a military stamp much like on the FS fighting knives.There were private purchase knives but the ones with broad arrow were issue items. Right, Broad Arrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomfixer Posted September 27, 2016 Share #12 Posted September 27, 2016 Shouldn't the tag be white with black lettering? looks like the tag was dyed...or maybe that is the color reflecting from the red wool...red wool jeep caps would go nice with an Aero or JA Dubow A-2 with berry knits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted September 27, 2016 Share #13 Posted September 27, 2016 Shouldn't the tag be white with black lettering? looks like the tag was dyed...or maybe that is the color reflecting from the red wool...red wool jeep caps would go nice with an Aero or JA Dubow A-2 with berry knits... That,s a good description of the color of the cap, Berry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy92 Posted September 27, 2016 Author Share #14 Posted September 27, 2016 Hi Here's more pics... take under natural light ... Indeed, the label is slightly rosie .. but over all the sewing thread is khaki or OD ...meanwhile, the term to refer berry color seems appropriate and in any case this color approaches wool elements A2 jacket distributed by Phantomfixer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustin Posted September 27, 2016 Share #15 Posted September 27, 2016 Odd for sure! For it to be affective as a recognition aid it would need to be much more brilliant or contrasting. This cap surely would had received poor reviews upon service testing as a "survival" cap. At a very limited distance this cap would be no different than the OD type visually. Yellow or orange/yellow was the standard at that time frame and just cannot buy this as a "survival" cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted September 28, 2016 Share #16 Posted September 28, 2016 While doyler pointed out the British War Department Broad Arrow tag marks this as Crown property, or Government made (for Reverse Lend Lease). I'm getting the feeling that this is a post war civilian dyed job. Maybe even dyed by the company that made them as these were overstocks, or dyed by a surplus store or whatever there called in England, or some other clothing store in England, even somewhere on the continent. Because as I agree with dustin point out, despite it's "Bright" Color, it's still Low Vis for a survival cap, and would not be for U.S. Army acquisition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted September 28, 2016 Share #17 Posted September 28, 2016 Well B N & H Ltd was a legit firm, started in 1815, went out of business in 1979. A item made by B N & H Ltd, as at bottom, called in full Brough, Nicholson and Hall http://stevengraphs.com/eliicrow2ndj.html http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/776a5624-0a66-470a-87bd-01115512df4b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted September 28, 2016 Share #18 Posted September 28, 2016 This same lable and manufacturer is shown in forum member Ben Majors book on Brit made US gear and clothing.The cap that is pictured in Bens book was fron Johans collection with this lable. Ben states the Brit made jeep caps tend to be a more brown olive drab than its US made OD cousin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamecharles Posted September 28, 2016 Share #19 Posted September 28, 2016 First of all, I like them 2nd . May be they were made for red cross? Is just a stupid idea I know but... nevermind GS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-X Posted September 29, 2016 Share #20 Posted September 29, 2016 We know that the British made caps were of a darker more brownish colour. As has been said, these are too dull to be some sort of survival item. It is possible that they have been over dyed at some stage, however, the colours in the digital photographs may not reflect the exact colour if the caps either. IMHO these are regular jeep caps that are British Made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwegian blue Posted September 29, 2016 Share #21 Posted September 29, 2016 Hello these have been dyed to give them more appeal on the French post war surplus market I remember Brit made ETO Jackets (ouch!) dyed the same strange reddish color, and others dyed bright green! the dye only bled slightly on the coated fabric label, as the caps were probably mint (i.e. unwashed) when "reconditioned" Just my two cents.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy92 Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share #22 Posted October 28, 2016 Hi everybody Take a look at this thread : http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/277675-usaf-museum-wasp-display/ now, a BLUE beanie (on the third display) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 29, 2016 Share #23 Posted October 29, 2016 Hi everybody Take a look at this thread : http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/277675-usaf-museum-wasp-display/ now, a BLUE beanie (on the third display) Very interesting, I would think though, that unlike the British Berry colored one, this Blue one for WASPs was both U.S. Made and Specifically made in Blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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