teufelhunde.ret Posted September 21, 2008 Share #1 Posted September 21, 2008 All, as said in the title - I'm stumped - never seen anything of the sort. The front of this emblem has all the charateristics and design details in the contients , anchor and wings of a typical period hallmarked EGA. Have tried to get the best angles, the wear and aging to the applied hallmark are identical to the emblem. The emblem exhibits the wear expected for the use of this EGA. The strike upon close examination, reveals areas of good details, yet other areas wear details are soft? On the reverse the post, its been replaced or the original nut was for whatever reasons screwed down to the point were it cannot be unwound. Further the post is thinner than the post found on other WW2 emblems - the standard nut for the period will not fit. Back to applied hallmark - comletely consistant wear and patina with the emblem, but why this applied H&H hallmark? All comments & thoughts are appreciated. S/F, Darrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brig Posted September 21, 2008 Share #10 Posted September 21, 2008 glad to see it's finally in. I, too, am stumped. perhaps a display model, used to show what they had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgee Posted September 21, 2008 Share #11 Posted September 21, 2008 glad to see it's finally in. I, too, am stumped. perhaps a display model, used to show what they had? Now that is one strange HM. Never have seen anything like it. As far as maybe being a "display" piece, it shows normal "wear & tear" to me. Perhaps part of a very small run using that applied HM. It added an additional cost to the manufacture process and maybe they just didn't do more. Maybe! Maybe! Maybe? It's a neat find, Darrell. Semper Fi....Bobgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgee Posted September 24, 2008 Share #12 Posted September 24, 2008 Hey Darrell - While browsing my PicFiles I came across this early USN Bronze Left-facing Officer's badge which you may recall came with that interesting "salty" (as in beat-up!) Bronze-Painted on brass 1904 type USMC Officer's EGA attributed to a WWI USN Doc. Well here's that large style badge WITH the same type of applied logo plate that appears on your mystery Enl. EGA. So, it's post-1926 and they did apply logo plates to some insignia. Also pictured is one of the 2 small bronze USN O/S cap insignia which came with it. Another piece of the puzzle. Semper Fi.....Bobgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgee Posted September 24, 2008 Share #13 Posted September 24, 2008 Here's a clse-up of the plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted September 25, 2008 Author Share #14 Posted September 25, 2008 Gezzz, I need to renew my AAARP card... had forgotten all about your emblem. I remember that image now, and like your emblem - shows the signs of "normal wear & tear"... perhaps we need to ask some of the wing & badge collectors if they've seen this applied hallmark before. s/f Darrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgee Posted September 25, 2008 Share #15 Posted September 25, 2008 Gezzz, I need to renew my AAARP card... had forgotten all about your emblem. I remember that image now, and like your emblem - shows the signs of "normal wear & tear"... perhaps we need to ask some of the wing & badge collectors if they've seen this applied hallmark before. s/f Darrell I'm with you. Note that I earlier had said that I'd never seen this H-H- Logo plate.......and I own this piece!!!!!!! Have been thinking........(and that can be dangerous at my age!) maybe these logo plates were very early H-H marks, like 1926, and they discontinued them quickly as an unnecessary added manufacturing expense, relacing them with the very familiar incised logo. And that is why we're not familiar with seeing them. Maybe other members have seen them and will share with us. ANYBODY? Semper Fi..................Bobgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted September 25, 2008 Share #16 Posted September 25, 2008 Have been thinking........(and that can be dangerous at my age!) maybe these logo plates were very early H-H marks, like 1926.... That might be the case: the way that EGA is made, it looks like manufacturing process could not have produced a clear logo on the EGA itself, thus the need to apply the logo afterwards. So perhaps these were among H&H's first attempts. And ideas as to what the EGA is made from? If it was copper-based bronze or brass I would expect to see some signs of green instead of those dark areas. Could this be some non-copper metal with an uneven gold-plating job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted September 25, 2008 Author Share #17 Posted September 25, 2008 And ideas as to what the EGA is made from? If it was copper-based bronze or brass I would expect to see some signs of green instead of those dark areas. Could this be some non-copper metal with an uneven gold-plating job? It appears the classic pre WW2 brass composition... but you observation is right, no vertigris... only the dark spots throughout. I dare not screw around with roller for fear of snapping the post loose, its the only area I cannot see clearly, even with loop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted September 25, 2008 Share #18 Posted September 25, 2008 It appears the classic pre WW2 brass composition... but you observation is right, no vertigris... only the dark spots throughout. I dare not screw around with roller for fear of snapping the post loose, its the only area I cannot see clearly, even with loop? Doesn't brass pretty much need to be coated with something to keep it from tarnishing. Unless you polished this, I would've guessed it is gold-plated, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted September 26, 2008 Author Share #19 Posted September 26, 2008 The front of the emblem shows remnants / residue from jeweler's rouge - nonetheless does not answer the apparent or unexplained tarnishing of the rear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmcraidergirl Posted October 16, 2009 Share #20 Posted October 16, 2009 Okay, we've all seen the bogus ones for sale on ebay (this is not one of them). Well, I've changed the focus of my collection (as many of you already know) and I've finally decided I would go ahead and part with this rare item. For sale is a fiber helmet (also called a "sun helmet" or "pith helmet" by some) that was first adopted by the Marines in 1940. This particular one is a May 6, 1941 version with the web chin strap and not the leather one. I believe this one dates to a 1942 manufacturer, as the Marines ordered many of these from other makers (like Hercules) when Hawley and International were unable to make the desired quantities in the desired time. Obviously this one got made and issued but, as many of you know, the Marine love affair with the pith dramatically decreased as the war went on. The condition is used. I took pictures of each side so you could see the aging of each part and the wear to the khaki cloth on the outside. I honestly like seeing the wear on issued pieces, as I think it gives it character. The nice thing about this piece is that it has character but displays very nicely though. On the front is a red wool diamond (note color is a bit lighter than my flash picture indicates). The diamond appears to be attached by some glue - there is no way I can get it off nor do I plan on trying! The wool is very fine red wool that is thin. Reminds me almost of those Aussie made thin wool patches to be honest. Affixed to that is a M1937 pattern enlisted dress EGA. The EGA has been on the helmet a LONG time, as you can see from the imprint. EGA is marked by H-H. The inside is green (which appears brighter due to my flash). On the sweatband it says HERCULES and below that it says "Brown Trade Mark." Inside the Marine has written in some whitish silver his identifying information: Schmidt Corp. U.S.M.C. 2nd Mar. Div Please see the picture too that shows the patina and aging on the inside parts. Clearly not a brand new piece made yesterday! I have not performed any research on Cpl. Schmidt with 2nd Marine Division. Should prove interesting when someone takes the time to do it! Asking $400 or best offer. Shipping extra. Will ship worldwide. PayPal Accepted. Thanks for looking! Christina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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teufelhunde.ret Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share #24 Posted October 16, 2009 I am VERY pleased to see this emblem, as it validates the use of the EGA in the field. The applied hallmark is best described as "scarce" a discussion of this unique emblem is here: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...showtopic=27311 USMCRaiderGirl, if you do not object I will move this thread to join the reference thread when sale is over. s/f Darrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmcraidergirl Posted October 16, 2009 Share #25 Posted October 16, 2009 Sure! When the sale is over, its fine to move it to the EGA section. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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