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#1 rhill13

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Posted 31 July 2016 - 12:26 PM

It's missing the gold trim and the pins that hold it on the sides of the hat. How would one go about finding these pieces?

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Posted 31 July 2016 - 01:08 PM

Is the hat grey or khaki? If grey I have the correct band for the front.

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Posted 31 July 2016 - 01:15 PM

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Posted 31 July 2016 - 07:29 PM

Band should be black and regular gold buttons.


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Posted 01 August 2016 - 07:47 AM

If you want to be according to regulations the chinstrap is black with black buttons and the device subdued. There are many period photos of the grey cap being worn with the bright device, gold chinstrap, buttons or bright device with black chinstrap and buttons. Either way would be proper. Supposedly the subdued device was not very popular.

 

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#6 rhill13

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Posted 01 August 2016 - 09:09 AM

Great. Thanks for the info


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Posted 01 August 2016 - 10:55 AM

Easiest, cheapest way to restore is with gold buttons, gold chinstrap.  A black USN officer's chinstrap is a very tough thing to find.



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Posted 01 August 2016 - 11:31 AM

I have a spare I'm going to sell him.

Wait... Mine may be for CPO? Are the straps different?


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Posted 01 August 2016 - 12:27 PM

I have a spare I'm going to sell him.

Wait... Mine may be for CPO? Are the straps different?


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Yes...the officer one will be cloth; the CPO one is made of leather/vinyl (or whatever the material was at the time...)



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Posted 01 August 2016 - 12:40 PM

Ok so I must have the officer strap.


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Posted 01 August 2016 - 12:43 PM

An officer has a "braided" look (very different from a smooth CPO strap).  

 

Check out post#16 in this link for a view of the black chinstrap:

http://www.usmilitar...r-gray-uniform/


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Posted 01 August 2016 - 05:59 PM

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Posted 01 August 2016 - 07:20 PM



If you want to be according to regulations the chinstrap is black with black buttons and the device subdued. There are many period photos of the grey cap being worn with the bright device, gold chinstrap, buttons or bright device with black chinstrap and buttons. Either way would be proper. Supposedly the subdued device was not very popular.

 

A black cap device was apparently proposed at one point but never made the official cut, allowing officers to use their existing devices. The black chinstrap was required for service and working dress for about a month in 1943 but apparently forcing every officer to buy a new chinstrap was not in the cards either, and either gold or black was permitted after July 1943. The black chinstrap could also be worn with the blue or white cap cover except for dress occasions.

 

"All Hands," August 1943"

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Posted 01 August 2016 - 09:44 PM

Wow. Thanks for the replies and sharing this great info!


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Posted 01 August 2016 - 10:19 PM

Not to change the subject, but what would be the proper strap for a combination cover for the aviation green uniform?  Were subdued cap badges ever used with the green uniform?  Thanks. 

 

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Posted 02 August 2016 - 03:32 AM

Not to change the subject, but what would be the proper strap for a combination cover for the aviation green uniform?  Were subdued cap badges ever used with the green uniform?  Thanks. 
 

The only subdued cap devices ever authorized were for USN officers who wore USMC service green or khaki uniforms, and they were miniature size. For the aviation working uniform, the gold chinstrap would be standard, with black optional from 1943 to 1946.

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