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So, it's been a while since we have had a nice Gas post.

I figured why not ask you to share what you have.

 

Do you have any gas items that you may not know what you have?

Do you have something you really enjoy and want to share?

Is there something you saw and had questions about?

 

We can help!!

 

Post away.

The more you post, the more us gas guys will thank you.

 

Personally I'm really into decam kits right now.

If you have any decontamination items please post.

I would love to see.

 

Thanks

Dan

 

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Dan, Here is a photo of my M5 gas mask with a boatload of accessories that I have displayed with it. BTW. I didn't think the edit in my original post had accepted the M5 photo, but it looks like the same photo got posted twice. Oops.

 

Bob

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Bob, thanks for sharing.

That photo is worthy of being posted twice. :D

 

The testing kit you have in the picture, can you share some close ups of that baby?

Is it complete?

 

And why in the world have we not met in person yet?

We probably live in the same town...that would be funny.

 

Dan

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Hey Dan, I will pm you with contact information and I live in a suburb of Cleveland, Ohio. Here is a closeup of the Clothing Impregnite Testing Kit you noticed in my photo. It is complete and Mint in the original box. It is used to test clothing treated for gas resistance to make sure the anti-gas treatment is still effective in the clothing. These kits were somewhat common 10 or more years ago and I bought two from a dealer in Florida.

 

Bob

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M1A2-1XA1-IV I had forgotten this until moving some other items around. Thought it might be of interest to those interested in WWII Gas Masks. Never opened so I have no idea of the condition of the items inside. If this has been shared in some other thread I apologize.

 

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So nice of you to share this with us 100thOVI

It's always fun to find forgotten things in our collections....I was showing a friend my Japanese rifles the other day. As I was pulling them out, I had forgotten some of the ones I had...I was getting super excited.

 

So back to what you have. I have a few of these cans as well. I have not opened them to view the condition so I don't know what shape they are in. I'm assuming they are minty fresh and safe in time of need :D

 

So to educate others reading this post...What exactly do you have and what the heck do all the numbers mean?

MIA2-IXA1-IV

 

M stands for Model

I is for the Roman numeral 1

 

So you have a Model 1 Face piece...but wait there's more...A2?

"A" stands for Alteration followed by an Arabic number 2 which means there have been 2 distinct alterations made from the original MI face piece.

 

In short, you have a Model 1 face piece with 2 improvements.

 

Next you have IXA1 this is the nomenclature for the canister.

Since WW1 there were 9 service canisters developed up to this point (1940)...this canister is Roman numeral 9 with 1 "A", alteration.

They did not put the "M" in front of the canister or the carrier when they whole mask was together.

If the canister was separate, you would see it like this MIXA1

 

The last set of digits is IV, this is the model of the carrier.

As stated above, the "M" is dropped and just the model number is used.

This is model 4 carrier....there was 1 improvement after this model, MIVA1 later in 1940.

 

Lets put it all together.

Model 1 face piece with the 2nd alteration.

Model 9 canister with 1st alteration.

Model 4 carrier with no alterations.

 

That's whats in your can all minty fresh....hopefully. :unsure:

 

Dan

 

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I've had this warning sign for some time and always wondered what era it dated to. I haven't seen another like it but it may be common as I haven't done much research yet. Looks like it is made from some type of canvas and has seen a bit of use and weather. Looks like it was tacked to a post as there are holes in all 4 corners. The bottom right hand corner says " Construction Section Gas Service 5400". The number may be 5409 as the last number is difficult to read. Any info or help appreciated. Thanks.post-2137-0-16993900-1483968835.jpgpost-2137-0-73393300-1483968847_thumb.jpg

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Very enjoyable discussion. I am fortunate to have virtually all models of the USN and Army WWII gasmasks and components. They take up a lot of room, but an interesting study. Thank you for your tutorial. Jack

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This is my first gas mask from WWI. I was super excited to get it because it was always on my collecting bucketlist. On the back of the bag the soldier's last name "Wager" is written. Also, do any of you guys know what the staining in the lenses is from? They are cracked too. Is it from gas?

 

Jacob

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GWS, What a terrific sign. It looks to me as if it's from WWI. Doughboys have written about similar gas warning signs. Plus,if I'm not mistaken the "Gas Service" was the gas warfare arm of the AEF, while the "Chemical Warfare was what the U.S. Army called its gas warfare arm.

 

US Military Museum,the lenses on your gasmask were made with laminated glass. The discoloration is the result of the adhesive used to biind the two layers of glass to the clear plastic sheeting in the center.

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GWS, that's very nice. Based on the warning the sign actually has on it, it's kinda strange someone brought this home, as it was surly exposed to the gas it so diligently warns of. With that said, do you feel tingles or itching when you touch it? Mustard gas will do that, even the residue.

 

Lets date this based on what it says...little history here.

 

July 5th 1917 Pershing help create the "Gas Service Section" with the 1st gas regiment being the 30th Engineer Reg.

June 28th 1918 it changed names to "Chemical Warfare Service" (CWS) which then included gas service and chemical service sections.

 

With that said, the sign says "Construction section gas service"

I see this as the construction branch of gas service made this sign.

In 1918 they did go to France and help with operations....this could be a sign from that time period.

It's speculation on my part maybe even early 1919 as the clean up was happening and areas were closed off till if was safe.

 

FYI, "Chemical Warefare Service" was used until 1946 when it was changed to what we know as the Chemical Corps.

 

Sweet item, don't let your dog lick it and if you want to move it, let me know. If not, frame it in glass and enjoy it safely. B)

 

 

Jumpin Jack, thanks and ask questions if you have any about your collection.

 

Jacob....Nice item to find, and you should be super excited....i'm super excited just looking at it.

The cracks and stains are not from gas. Typical protocol if equipment was exposed to gas was to burn it.

Highly unlikely it was exposed, if it was it would have been toast. But just in case on my masks...every time I handle them, I wash may hands.

 

The lenses in the old days were lamented, they have a membrane between 2 piece of glass. Over time the lamination deteriorates and you get these weird burnt out looking lenses.

Very common in the older masks and also very common with the Japanese masks too (which I also collect with a passion). Nothing you can do about, just accept it and keep an eye out for a better mask if you feel it needs upgraded.

 

 

Keep it coming guys, very fun and informative.

Dan

 

 

 

 

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M1A2-1XA1-IV I had forgotten this until moving some other items around. Thought it might be of interest to those interested in WWII Gas Masks. Never opened so I have no idea of the condition of the items inside. If this has been shared in some other thread I apologize.

 

 

 

Thats nice.

 

I have one as well in the can.Not sure if a glass lense is broken or not as there is a audible rattle in the can when moving it.

 

One50:

 

Thanks for the explination of the markings

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norwegian blue

excellent topic!

I have this strap/carrier gizmo which should fit the early war service gas mask, but I have no idea about its intended use, except to carry the canister without the bag

the small tab with a snap will probably hold the hose

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GWS, that's very nice. Based on the warning the sign actually has on it, it's kinda strange someone brought this home, as it was surly exposed to the gas it so diligently warns of. With that said, do you feel tingles or itching when you touch it? Mustard gas will do that, even the residue.

 

Lets date this based on what it says...little history here.

 

July 5th 1917 Pershing help create the "Gas Service Section" with the 1st gas regiment being the 30th Engineer Reg.

June 28th 1918 it changed names to "Chemical Warfare Service" (CWS) which then included gas service and chemical service sections.

 

With that said, the sign says "Construction section gas service"

I see this as the construction branch of gas service made this sign.

In 1918 they did go to France and help with operations....this could be a sign from that time period.

It's speculation on my part maybe even early 1919 as the clean up was happening and areas were closed off till if was safe.

 

FYI, "Chemical Warefare Service" was used until 1946 when it was changed to what we know as the Chemical Corps.

 

Sweet item, don't let your dog lick it and if you want to move it, let me know. If not, frame it in glass and enjoy it safely. B)

 

 

Jumpin Jack, thanks and ask questions if you have any about your collection.

 

Jacob....Nice item to find, and you should be super excited....i'm super excited just looking at it.

The cracks and stains are not from gas. Typical protocol if equipment was exposed to gas was to burn it.

Highly unlikely it was exposed, if it was it would have been toast. But just in case on my masks...every time I handle them, I wash may hands.

 

The lenses in the old days were lamented, they have a membrane between 2 piece of glass. Over time the lamination deteriorates and you get these weird burnt out looking lenses.

Very common in the older masks and also very common with the Japanese masks too (which I also collect with a passion). Nothing you can do about, just accept it and keep an eye out for a better mask if you feel it needs upgraded.

 

 

Keep it coming guys, very fun and informative.

Dan

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks so much for all the information about the sign, I suspected it may be from the WW1 period but had never researched it properly. It is framed under glass so no worries there. Again, Thanks,

 

Steve

 

 

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Hello one50 and thanks for your input.

Now, I happen to collect British Militaria as well and I doubt this is a waterbottle carrier.

The 'cradle' itself is much too large for the regular british bottle, the type of webbing looks very American to me.

I will try to make my point later and fit a US service mask canister in that contraption...

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These are a couple gas "delivery units" we had walk in.

Before my PM box fills up, these were sold years ago to my Ordnance buddy.

But you don't often see these so I thought I would share. You do have to be careful with these kinds of things.

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I know what your talking about, the Japanese have a Navy mask set up like that.

I have not seen a set up like this for the US. I don't know everything, but you have peeked my interest and I will keep looking.

 

 

Mr. Jerry

That's very cool, I would love to have something like that in my room.

I do not know my shells, would you happen to know off hand what the color bands mean?

Thanks for sharing.

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Hello One50

the Japanese navy lead is very interesting, that thing was found in the US and could be some kind of souvenir. I have little time now but I hope to take more pictures this week end. Bear with me, thanks

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Dang, been busy the last few days after realizing I only had 1 Gas pic :wacko:

 

Highly interesting and educational discussion, and fine stuff displayed!

 

Here is a W.W.I era Gas Mask which is in the nicest condition of 3 laying around here. Doesn't show much of any use; the Carrier, with the

surplus store price marking, is likely not the original. The breathing hose is nice, soft and collapsed.

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The inside. The rubber flutter exhaust is here, but dried out and detached (seen in the previous shot). The nose guards and

mouthpiece are still quite soft.

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Here is a more recent Mask rig- M1A1 with its Carrier.

The metal form which was set inside the Mask itself to prevent crushing is laying above the Mask.

All original NOS.

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