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#1 P-40Warhawk

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Posted 03 April 2016 - 08:21 AM



A good friend of mine picked up a cap yesterday with this logo inside the crown. I think it says 'Boston - Chicago' and 'Uniform Makers', but we can't read the company name. Logo appears to have a man in uniform by a globe or something.

Does anyone recognize it?

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#2 P-40Warhawk

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Posted 03 April 2016 - 04:47 PM

We both think it says "[illegible]felder Co."

Any ideas who made it?

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 08:55 AM

Now with pics of the cap my friend sent:

 

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 08:55 AM

More

 

 

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 08:56 AM

Inside of crown

 

 

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 08:57 AM

It looks like it had a screwback insignia on the front

 

 

 

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 09:02 AM

I posted this on behalf of a friend, can anyone ID it?

 

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More pics posted here http://www.usmilitar...o-id/?p=2125449

 

 

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Posted 17 April 2016 - 09:12 AM

Any thoughts on this?  We're stumped. 



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Posted 08 July 2016 - 11:56 AM

Just wondering if anyone has thoughts on this, or recognizes the maker logo? 



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Posted 17 July 2016 - 11:20 AM

This appears to be the US Army Officer's Dress Cap from the 1902 regulations.  It is distinguished from the Full Dress Cap which has gold braid and branch colors around the band instead of the black mohair.



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Posted 17 July 2016 - 05:32 PM

Hi! Thank you for the information. We thought it looked like a 1902 cap, but we couldn't really find anything detailed to tell confirm this was military or how old. It's definitely got the look and feel of a pre-WWI piece, and is in great condition. 



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Posted 17 July 2016 - 08:06 PM

My thoughts is that is perhaps a police or fire dept cap. Fire chiefs wear a similar cap and I believe I have seen that mark in a few of my older police hats when I collected them. I think someone probably placed those side buttons on there. 

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 07:09 AM

I think it is from the Fred M. Batchelder Co., which was a uniform maker with facilities in Boston and Chicago.



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 07:37 PM

Hi!

I've forwarded the thread to my friend to read. The thoughts and information were much appreciated. The logo turned out to match Fred M. Batchelder Co. as suggested! Looking at their ads, it seems they supplied both the civilian and military markets.

Friend did say it appeared that there was an eagle cap device on the front that seemed to have been removed in more recent years.

Appreciate the thoughts!

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 06:09 AM

These are usually found with rimless M1902 gilt buttons, and the insignia is often bullion.  The insignia could have been a federal eagle or a state pattern.  These visors were discontinued in 1912, about the time the rimmed buttons were adopted.  At that time, regulations called for the wear of the full dress visor instead.

 

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 09:12 AM

That's a nice example, but Gil is right about the bullion insignia. I see those much more frequently.



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Posted 19 July 2016 - 11:45 AM

Hi!

 

Thanks, this is great information. I have passed it along to my friend. 

 

It sounds like someone must have removed the cap device because it was harder to find than the 'usual' bullion version? 




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