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#1 GF97

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Posted 17 January 2016 - 08:59 PM

Found a 1796 pattern sword at a garage sale. The guy I bought it from got it from a family friend who lived in Connecticut.

I have found many similar ones while researching but none with the same markings. It has a pretty good amount of blue left and most of the gold gilt. The end of the blade is of the wide type but there are no makers marks anywhere. I read that some were sold to the United States prior to the war, but I have been unable to find a picture to cross reference with mine. I will attach a few photos, they have some glare so if better pictures are required please let me know.

 

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#2 Varangian

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 06:14 AM

The stack of arms with a phrygian cap would not be more indicative of a US sword than a British.

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 08:51 AM

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 08:51 AM

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 08:51 AM

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 08:52 AM

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 11:25 AM

The lack of Royal ciphers and insignia may be something more geared towards America, but hard to say.  I believe these were mass produced for foreign export.



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Posted 18 January 2016 - 05:44 PM

I somehow got turned around in my previous post.

 

The phrygian cap would lean me more towards an American sword than a British...



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Posted 18 January 2016 - 06:09 PM

 Thanks for clearing that up, I don't know much about stuff this old. I just saw it at a garage sale and figured it was worth the $250.



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Posted 19 January 2016 - 03:43 AM

I've always heard of the cap as a "freedom cap", with it  often appearing on American swords. There are no maker's marks on it? Nothing marked on the spine? How long is that blade? I'd call that an amazing garage sale find - for that price and with a scabbard. Could you give us a closer shot of the grip please? Dunmore1774 - who do you believe was making them for export and when would that have been?



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Posted 20 January 2016 - 04:26 PM

GF97 - Any chance we can get a shot of the grip and the blade length? Thanks.



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Posted 20 January 2016 - 04:59 PM

I'd have to dig back through my books, but there were several places in the German states, and I think the UK, that made lots of weapons for the foreign markets from at least the early 18th century until after the American Civil War.  Anyone know some of the firms that Tiffany bought from for those M1860 Us sabers?



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Posted 20 January 2016 - 05:03 PM

Normally I hate to pull from internet sites, but here's some more on this model and the makers

 

http://www.napoleon-...wordpoint1.html



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Posted 24 January 2016 - 07:23 PM

sundance, sorry it took me a while to reply. here are a couple photos of the grip. The blade is roughly 33 in. long give or take a couple of 16ths.

 

 

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Posted 24 January 2016 - 07:23 PM

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Posted 30 January 2016 - 09:26 AM

GF97 Thanks for the extra photos. I missed them 'till today. The grip appears to be in good shape, worn but I rarely see that as a negative. You did great in my opinion. I think online sellers would be looking for 3X what you paid or more - perhaps much more.



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Posted 04 February 2016 - 09:42 PM

Thank you very much for the info sundance!



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Posted 24 August 2016 - 08:05 PM

I don't know how I missed this, very nice sword.

I love the early contract pieces. Looks German or English made for export.

Could be for US, but the only way you would know for sure was if the blade had the American Eagle or shield on it or inspectors marks.




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