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M1917, M1918 & M1923 Cartridge Belts

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#1 bilko *Deceased*

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Posted 04 January 2007 - 11:51 AM

M1923 dismounted cartridge belt..

Top S.FROEHLICH CO 1942 od#3
Middle BOYT 43 transitional
Bottom S.FROEHLICH CO 1943 od#7

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Posted 05 January 2007 - 12:21 AM

The OD#7 M1923 Cartridge belt is seen on a few pictures of the Bulge and Hurtgen Forrest. 100% correct for that impression, so why buying a more expensive belt?

Edited by craig_pickrall, 28 March 2007 - 08:14 AM.


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Posted 06 January 2007 - 11:09 AM

M1918 MOUNTED CARTRIDGE BELT dated 1918..

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 11:19 AM

I bought an unissued "BOYT 44" M1923 cartridge belt about ten years ago. It was made in OD #7. Webbing was still crisp it was so mint and only "flaw" was one of the pot metal adjusting buckles in the rear was broken. I didn't even notice it myself for a couple months it's so non detracting. But when I decided to sell it I wound up nearly giving it away because it had the stigma of being "late war".

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 12:39 PM

That late war OD #7 stuff has become scarcer and more valuable than "khahi". A while back I gave LLoyd a 1944 dated OD #7 pistol belt when he said he needed one and I didn't have any money tied up in it. Later I decided I wanted another OD #7 pistol belt and it took a while to find one.......and cost more money. I now own a mint "R M CO 1944" M1936 belt and this time I'm not giving it away to anybody.

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 01:03 PM

funny you mention about pistol belts in od7,they seem to be quite hard to find in a good condition[in my case mint and 43 or 44 dated]..

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 05:33 PM

Some say that a true collector always searches for the mint stuff the best example you can find.We are always are looking for upgrades but some like the salty stuff too.Unless ID'd I it has to be clean for me but the exceptions are the scarce things sometimes you will almost take it in any condition.

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 06:05 PM

When I went out looking to replace that OD #7 pistol belt I found that if you looked in sources that sold WW2 gear they were more expensive than the early war "khaki" belts. But then I asked a "Nam" dealer who advertised "early Viet Nam" M1936 belts and, sure enough, he had a near mint "BOYT 44" M1936 pistol belt that in his world was no bigger deal than a 1950's belt. So I bought it.

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 06:11 PM

Greg i have found that over here with collecting US web gear....GOOD quality OD7 later war web gear is scarcer to find than earlier war tan/khaki and light OD items.

Is that because the later dark OD web gear had a longer service life than the tan gear ?

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 06:32 PM

lloyd, it might possibly be that the kahki web gear was used in much more of a quantity over there than the OD7 equipment since the od7 really did not start to appear in quantity till 1945 a large ratio of kahki over od7 by wars end.Like OD stuff is fairly common here in the states because the war was over before stocks were shipped overseas.

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 06:40 PM

Now THAT is a fair point ...i didnt think of that.But you possibly are right..when the war ended the stockpiled late war OD 7 web gear wasnt needed.....so it stayed stateside?

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 06:50 PM

The service life of OD #7 was absolutely longer despite the official change later to OG #107. There wasn't that big a difference in color shade between those two so the OD #7 gear stayed in service until worn out. OD #3 was just used in WW2. The dark green M1936 pistol belts were still being worn in Viet Nam. In fact, I own a 1967 contract dated M1936 which baffles me....why was it made? Maybe US Navy use?

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 06:53 PM

I agree....while the OD #7 gear went into production late in 1943 it didn't get out to the field that quickly and most never left Stateside. And after the war it remained in the supply system.

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 06:54 PM

I take it that National Gurad units musta got a lot of the later war OD 7 web gear I have seen pictures of guardsman at Fort Drum NY in 1974 ? equipped with what looks to be WW2 OD 7 web gear.

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 07:20 PM

The Army National Guard was armed with the M1 Garand rifle as late as the early '70's so probably wore WW2/Korean War cartridge belts. And with those belts they had to use the early canteen covers with hooks instead of clips.

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Posted 07 January 2007 - 03:28 AM

Remember the recolouring program on field gear for the NG and reserve stocks after ww2,I see m1910 and m1928 field packs RE-dyed an OD most .

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Posted 07 January 2007 - 05:14 PM

One of marine-kabar's remarks on another forum sent me on a search in my father's trunk. I remembered that there was a navy blue cartridge belt in the trunk which I had never given a lot of thought to. Not sure when Dad got it - he served in the Aelutian Islands in Jan-May 1943 which was the only time he mentioned being issued a rifle (a Model of 1917) although he never used it. He was a Chief Carpenter's Mate in the Navy SeaBees. He later served as an instructor at Camp Parks, CA until the beginning of 1944, then at Pearl Harbor during 1944 where he spend most of his time as Junior Officer of the Day. He got tired of that and volunteered into a new Battalion and went to Guam where he finished the war.

The color is lighter in the photo than the real thing, which is Navy Blue (nearly black). It is marked with the maker and date, but I cannot read it.

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Posted 07 January 2007 - 09:21 PM

Do you think it was made that way or has it been re-dyed?

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Posted 08 January 2007 - 03:11 AM

Nope....these seem to be originals made for the US Navy. This makes two I've either seen or heard about in the hands of collectors and there was a third in mint condition being sold by a dealer about ten years ago. He's a retired Navy officer and he speculated at the time that it was Navy issue and did not look re-dyed. But you sure don't see a lot of these.

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 09:17 AM

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