US Victory Museum Posted November 4, 2015 Share #1 Posted November 4, 2015 In a prior series of postings initiated by USMF user Pep, a canteen strapidentified in the Mills catalog as No. 214 was confirmed to be an item sentto the Philippines for use by the Philippine Scouts units c. 1915.The military designation being "Canteen-Haversack Strap, Model of 1910.(For Philippine Scouts)"Mr. Prostak (USMF Jprostak) located and posted photos of the RIA drawings.Original discussion found here:http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/134605-mills-strap/While digging around on the I-Net, I discovered that an earlier web straphad been experimentally fielded c. 1901-1903, also for use in the Philippines.In the above photo, the "Canteen-Haversack Strap, Model of 1910. (ForPhilippine Scouts)" is the top set, and is olive green in color. Theearlier experimental Canteen-Haversack Strap is shown below. The earlierset do not have darkened hardware, and are narrower along the full length.This was one of the reasons for their failure, as a heavy load caused thestrap to dig into the wearer's shoulder rather than distribute the weightover a larger surface area.The following photo was shamelessly borrowed from AGM (Advance Guard Militaria) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Victory Museum Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share #2 Posted November 4, 2015 The following information was found on a web page at the link listed here:http://milsurpshooter.net/topic/37932I would have otherwise provided credit to the author, as well as the book he/shepublished; however, the posting cited is only identified as coming from a userof that web site identified by the name Alibi; the name of the book was neveridentified.================================================================================BEGIN QUOTED MATERIAL================================================================================Trial web rifle slings, canteen and haversack straps, 1901What follows is mostly an extract of the entry in my book regarding these sling/straps as they relate to the canteens and the special hooks assembled to thecanteen that were sent for trial in the Philippines (there is no record of anysent to Cuba or anywhere else). The reports from officers commanding units thattested these sling/straps quoted here were representative of many more that werereceived and reviewed by the Ordnance Department. The modified canteens and haversacks were probably turned in to the Manila OrdnanceDepot and serviceable canteens and haversacks rebuilt with the standard strap loops.The rifle swivels had to have been substituted in the Philippines and no doubt theoriginal sling swivels were restored. The swivels sent for trial with the web sling/straps were probably discarded. Since the authors of the two primary source bookson the Krags were unaware of the special swivels issued the swivels must be anextremely rare item, and without documentation of them any that still exist wouldprobably not be recognized for what they are.[...] (Text Omitted)Extract from the Proceeding of Board of Ordnance and Fortification, Washington, D.C.,May 8, 1901., (RG156 E28 O.O.36496):The Board resumed consideration of a letter, dated February 20, 1901, from ThomasC. Orndorff, submitting samples of a woven gun sling, canteen and haversack straps,and requesting that a number be purchased for test. Gen. Anson Mills, representingMr. Orndorff, appeared before the Board and explained the advantages claimed for theform of strap, calling attention to the necessity of so modifying the present wireloops on canteens and haversacks and swivels on rifles as to facilitate the attachmentof the woven straps. It is recommended that there be allotted from the appropriation,Board of Ordnance and Fortification the sum of $1,200, or so much thereof as may benecessary, for the purchase of a sufficient number of these straps to completely equipone of the infantry regiments serving in the field. The expenditure under this allotmentto be made by the Chief of Ordnance. A report as to the merits of these woven strapsshould be forwarded to this office as soon as practicable.The Ordnance Department on June 11, 1901 ordered from The Mills Woven Cartridge BeltCo. 3,900 woven web adjustable and interchangeable canteen or haversack straps or gunslings. Sample strap/slings were sent to R.I.A. July 6, 1901, with instructions forpreparing the loops on trial canteens and haversacks. Extract from Memoranda concerningexperimental stores., (RG156 E203 p25):Straps - Canteen-haversack 1300 invoiced to Manila Aug. 13, 1901 (with split loops)V-285 Rock Island Arsenal 26116-4, C. of O. End. Aug. 2, 1901Maj. Stanhope E. Blunt, Ord., CO, Rock Island Arsenal reported to Brig. Gen. AdelbertR. Buffington, Chief of Ordnance, on August 12, 1901, that 1300 special canteens, 1300special haversacks and 2600 woven canteen and haversack straps were shipped to theChief Ordnance Officer, Division of the Philippines, Manila, P.I.The reports from officers of the First U.S. Infantry Regiment were all unfavorable.Report of Capt. Francis E. Lacey Jr., Inf., CO, Company A, First U.S. Infantry Regiment,Catubig, Samar, Philippine Islands, August 13, 1902, (RG156 E28 O.O.36116-16 Enc.1):I have the honor to submit the following report upon woven gun slings, haversack strapsand canteen straps as required by endorsement from your office dated November 7th 1901.These articles were issued in Company “A” for use April 15th 1902. They have not beentested in active operations as they were received here when such operations had ceased.The only good feature of these articles so far as has appeared is that they areinterchangeable. The objections are as follows:1. Difficult to keep clean and to cleanse when soiled2. Tendence [sic] to swell and get stiff when wet.3. Canteen and haversack straps are too narrow across the shoulder being thus inferior to new Haversack-straps and canteen straps [Canteen-haversack strap] issued by Ordnance Department.4. Gunsling is difficult to adjust.In my Company the leather straps and slings are prefered [sic].Report of unidentified First Lieutenant, CO, Company B, First U.S. Infantry Regiment,Laguan, Samar, Philippine Islands, September 15, 1902, (RG156 E28 O.O.36116-16 Enc.2):I have the honor to submit the following report on the web slings and split hooks issuedto Co. “B”, 1st Infantry for trial. My experience with these articles has proven to meconclusively their unfitness for use in the field. The slings become dirty very soon,then tend to fold and become stringy and then cuts into a mans shoulder. The slings onthe guns are hard to adjust and all of the slings become rotten very soon, when exposedto bad weather. They also wear out quickly. Even in Garrison they appear to me to be noimprovement on the leather sling.Comments: The straps were identical and interchangeable as canteen straps, haversack strapsor rifle slings.Mills production for commercial sales is likely and it is unknown if existing examplesare from the Army trials. Straps with double brass hooks assembled to adapt them to theregulation canteen and haversack loops may be condemned Army contract or commercial saleitems. It is reported that the straps with double wire brass hooks were sold by Bannerman,New York. An unidentified circa mid-1900s, military goods catalog has an illustration ofweb canteen and haversack straps that are consistent in width. Extract description fromthis catalog, “Woven web shoulder slings for carrying canteen and haversack. Slings andbelts are made of heavy drab-colored woven web by the Mills Cartridge Belt Co. undercontract to the U.S. Govt.”[...]I have copies of all the documents related to these trial slings/straps except finaldisposition which was apparently surplus sale. The attached documents were the finalcorrespondence regarding this item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pep Posted November 26, 2015 Share #3 Posted November 26, 2015 US V. M, most excellent information. Thank you for posting. Now to be on the look out for the earlier version... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinb Posted November 27, 2015 Share #4 Posted November 27, 2015 Very informative. Thanks for posting about that early canteen strap. I've had one for years but never paid much attention to it. The one on the larger canteen is MILLS 1914 and made similar to the other but with smaller wire hooks. Plus the large canteen is unusual, too. The US on the front is almost faded away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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