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#1 Steve B.

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 12:14 PM

Last March (2006) I finally had the opportunity to go to Washington, DC. While there, I was able to go to the National Air and Space Museum, and the Udvar-Hazsy Center at Dulles Airport.

Among the other amazing aircraft and artifacts on display, was General Jimmy Doolittle's dress uniform.

I immediately noticed two things about this uniform. One was the foreign decorations, but what really caught my eye was the Medal of Honor ribbon. Isn't this ribbon upside down, or was it worn differently in WWII?

If anyone has any info on the wear of the ribbon, or can ID the foreign decorations, I'd appreciate it.

Here is a photo I took:

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Thanks in advance for any assistance.

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 12:30 PM

Last March (2006) I finally had the opportunity to go to Washington, DC. While there, I was able to go to the National Air and Space Museum, and the Udvar-Hazsy Center at Dulles Airport.

Among the other amazing aircraft and artifacts on display, was General Jimmy Doolittle's dress uniform.

I immediately noticed two things about this uniform. One was the foreign decorations, but what really caught my eye was the Medal of Honor ribbon. Isn't this ribbon upside down, or was it worn differently in WWII?

If anyone has any info on the wear of the ribbon, or can ID the foreign decorations, I'd appreciate it.

Here is a photo I took:

Doolittle__s_Uniform.jpg

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

Steve



Hi Steve,

The MoH is in the right position. The stars should line up in the shape of a "W".

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 12:41 PM

Hi Steve,

The MoH is in the right position. The stars should line up in the shape of a "W".


Actually, several sites say it should be an M and if you do a Google search you will find they are all M-shaped and the Congressional Medal of Honor Society website shows it as an M.



The only one I could find in a W is one in an official US Navy photo from the 40's or early 50's.





Then to muddy the waters a little more, here's an official Navy photo of a MOH ribbon from WWII:

 

Edited by doinworkinvans, 30 November 2016 - 12:33 PM.


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Posted 04 February 2007 - 01:10 PM

Ribbons: From left to right:

Medal of Honor;
Distinguished Service Medal; Silver Star; unknown; Bronze Star;
Air Medal; American Defense Medal; Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal;
European-African-Middle Eastern Medal; WW2 Victory Medal; unknown; Good Conduct Medal; unknown; Croix de Guerre France; unknown.

Sorry I do not know all of them, hope this wil lhelp you out.

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Edited by Bob M, 04 February 2007 - 01:14 PM.


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Posted 04 February 2007 - 01:26 PM

Thanks for the replies so far!

The reason I thought the MoH ribbon is upside down, is that I had always understood it to be in the shape of an M, the stars on Dootlittle's ribbon apper to be "pointing" down, and the Army's Institute of Heraldry website specifically states it is supposed to be in the shap of an M. See this link: http://www.tioh.hqda...Awards/MOH1.htm

I ask because someone once told me that in WWII it was different.

More input, please!

Steve

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 01:34 PM

I would say no body would dare tell him one way or the other!! :D

Nice uniform BTW, thanks for posting it.


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Posted 04 February 2007 - 09:07 PM

Ribbons: From left to right:

Medal of Honor;
Distinguished Service Medal; Silver Star; unknown; Bronze Star;
Air Medal; American Defense Medal; Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal;
European-African-Middle Eastern Medal; WW2 Victory Medal; unknown; Good Conduct Medal; unknown; Croix de Guerre France; unknown.

Sorry I do not know all of them, hope this wil lhelp you out.

Bob


Distinguished Flying Cross w/2oak leaf clusters is before the bronze star

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 06:14 PM

General Doolittle ribbon bar ID.
Medal of Honor
Army Distinguished Service Medal with oak-leaf cluster
Silver star Medal
Distinguished Flying Medal with 2 oak-leaf cluster
Bronze Star Medal
Air Medal wit 3 oak-leaf clusters
World War I Victory Medal
American Defense Medal with bronze star
Asiatic-Pacific Medal with bronze star
EAME Medal with 5 bronze stars
World War II Victory Medal
Bolivia - Order of the Condor, Officer
Poland - Order of Polonia Restituta, Commander
China - Order of the Cloud and Banner
France - Legion of Honor
France - Croix de Guerre
Great Britian - Order of the Bath

I hope this helps.
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Posted 05 February 2007 - 06:18 PM

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Quick pic of the General's Medal located at the National Air and Space Museum.
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Posted 05 February 2007 - 06:21 PM

Thank you! That's exactly what I was looking for!

How did I miss the medal display? Nothing much else to look at at the NASM, right?

Thanks again!

Steve

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 06:56 PM

Thank you! That's exactly what I was looking for!

How did I miss the medal display? Nothing much else to look at at the NASM, right?

Thanks again!

Steve


Steve, You are welcome. Let me know if you need better pics or close-ups.
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Posted 05 February 2007 - 07:39 PM

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Quick pic of the General's Medal located at the National Air and Space Museum.
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I have seen the display at the NASM and I was disturbed to see the medals were hanging with the full weight of the planchets on the ribbons. The ribbon rings attached to the planchets should be tacked down with thread to take the weight off the ribbons. Sooner or later the ribbons will fray and the planchets will fall off. The ribbons are also beginning to fade from direct light. I first saw the display @ 20 years ago and again 2 years ago. The condition of the ribbons has gotton worse in that time.

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 05:35 AM

Steve,
Man. :( If you missed the Doolittle display then you missed the General Chennault medal display next to it also. http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif
Let me know if you would like a pic of it as well. It was located in a kind of wierd place at the NASM. I just happened to know where it was. I had a behind the scene tour of some of General Doolittle and other general officer items that are keep in the "Safe" http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif
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Posted 06 February 2007 - 05:53 PM

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Steve,
Here is the extremely rare, little known Mackay Trophy medal awarded to General Doolittle. This was awarded with the known Mackay Trophy for aeronautical merit.
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Posted 06 February 2007 - 05:55 PM

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The reverse of General Doolittle MacKay Trophy Medal.
These pics came from my visit to the vaults at the NASM.
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Posted 06 February 2007 - 05:59 PM

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This is the MacKay Trophy awarded to General Doolittle.

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 08:35 PM

Wow! Great stuff!

I remember seeing a lot of the trophies, and even have pics of some of them, but it was my first visit and I was under a bit of a time crunch, so I'm sure I missed a LOT.

Thanks for sharing the "behind the scenes" stuff!

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Posted 20 February 2007 - 05:29 PM

Steve,
Did any one actually answer your question? W or M? http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif
I have over 40 plus photos showing it both ways. It is interesting to note though that most of the WWII pics are W's. Post WWII are M's. I have tried to find if it was actually written to be worn as a W or it was just practice. Let me know what you find out. :D
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Posted 21 February 2007 - 06:08 PM

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No definitive answers so far. There are plenty of examples of it being worn both ways, as you said.

The modern regs definitely call for it to be worn in an M shape, but I don't know about WWII.

Hopefully someone with access to the period regs will see this thread and answer the question.

Steve

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 06:49 PM

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Steve. Here is a pic of a book showing the "W" ribbon.It came from a book dated 1945. Ribbons of Orders, Decorations and Medals by Guido Rosignoli. May be this is a start.
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Posted 09 April 2007 - 04:34 AM

Steve,
Did any one actually answer your question? W or M? http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif
I have over 40 plus photos showing it both ways. It is interesting to note though that most of the WWII pics are W's. Post WWII are M's. I have tried to find if it was actually written to be worn as a W or it was just practice. Let me know what you find out. :D
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Steve,
I have found a old Naval Officer's Guide book that shows that the Medal of Honor ribbon shall be worn as a W. It also shows the previous posted 2 Medal of Honor ribbons. 1, the five star, W ribbon. Second, the multiple star ribbon. This book must have been pre WWII for no WWII medals or ribbons are posted in it. It is also of note that it demostrates the Navy's two Medal of Honor system, or Tiffany Cross Medal of Honor as some know it. It also depictes the Old Gold and Silver Life Saving Medal ribbons.
So I hope this helps. Balck and white proof that it was autorized to be worn as a "W" back in "those days". General Doolittle was wearing it properly. This would also go with why we seen most USMC Medal of honor ribbbons froom the same time period being worn this way.
Reference:
Naval Officer Guide, 1943, McGraw-Hill. Chapter VI, section 669 page218.
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Posted 10 February 2019 - 03:18 AM

I hope you dont mind that i make a little correction about the giving list of the Generals medals. The third last ribbon is the Belgian Order of the Crown, Grand Officers degree...

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 07:30 AM

It's been almost 12 years since this post saw the top of the list! I was there in March and took a few overall photos of Jimmy's uniform:

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 07:31 AM

Closer view, I'm not sure the use of shirt-sized metal general's rank and wings is correct or not.

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:07 AM

Nice to see. I believe the 'W' is correct.  IMHO General Doolittle is one of the very top American heroes of the 20th century. Bobgee




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