jcsoup Posted March 19, 2015 Share #1 Posted March 19, 2015 I picked up this beautiful DUI this week. I think it is from the New York National Guard. It has a safety style pinback and the maker is M.S. Bowman N.Y.C. Can anyone provide any additional info on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankpatches Posted March 19, 2015 Share #2 Posted March 19, 2015 102 Coast Artillery Brigade NYNG, fed 1941, redes 102 AAA Bde 1943, SWPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denfly Posted July 4, 2015 Share #3 Posted July 4, 2015 That is actually the 27th Infantry Division, 71st Field Artillery Brigade DUI. The 102nd AAA and Coast Arty. was white on top with the lower portion red. The 27th had approx. 12 DUI's with the Clipper ship and various colors. It is listed under 27th Inf. Div. 71st Inf. Bde. so it may be an error as to whether it's a F.A. Bde. on the NYS DMNA heraldry website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denfly Posted July 4, 2015 Share #4 Posted July 4, 2015 Here are the 2 DUI's of the 27th Inf. Div. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankpatches Posted July 5, 2015 Share #5 Posted July 5, 2015 Actually, it's not the 71st FA Bde. The piece pictured is a real 71st FA Bde !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankpatches Posted July 5, 2015 Share #6 Posted July 5, 2015 As for the original content of this post the 1st post shows a 102 AAA DI ASMIC # 102A3 Hallmarked: Bowman 102A1,102A2,102A3,102A4 are WW2 pieces 102A5 is postwar 102A6 is modern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denfly Posted July 6, 2015 Share #7 Posted July 6, 2015 On the 71st Arty. DUI's, the one shown by ASMIC has a different background than the one in question. Note the larger triangle compared to the smaller one. As for it being the 71st Arty. it is possible that it's the 71st Inf. since I believe the DMNA site is rife with errors. As for the 102nd AAA in the ASMIC description, it is describing it as having a dark blue op but the DUI in question has a light blue op. Yes I do see the one indicating a med. blue but with age on the DUI, it's hard to tell if it's a med. or lt. blue. I remember trying to collect as many Clipper ship NY DUI's but these are rather difficult because so many of these are listed incorrectly. Is there any definative list of these available by colors, brigades, div. etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tredhed2 Posted July 7, 2015 Share #8 Posted July 7, 2015 You might want to find one or two of Sawicki's books on DIs, as there is valuable information about heraldry and how it is reflected in DI designs. Knowledge of heraldic terms would lead to less confusion by DI collectors, whether the illustration is in B & W or color. That being said, why don't you undertake some sort of compendium on these DIs since you have information many other DI collectors are apparently lacking? However, describing Henry Hudson's ship as a "clipper ship" - which began sailing in the 19th Century, is pretty inaccurate and might underscore any other information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted July 8, 2015 Share #9 Posted July 8, 2015 You might want to find one or two of Sawicki's books on DIs, as there is valuable information about heraldry and how it is reflected in DI designs. Knowledge of heraldic terms would lead to less confusion by DI collectors, whether the illustration is in B & W or color. That being said, why don't you undertake some sort of compendium on these DIs since you have information many other DI collectors are apparently lacking? However, describing Henry Hudson's ship as a "clipper ship" - which began sailing in the 19th Century, is pretty inaccurate and might underscore any other information. tred, believe Sawicki's books only cover Infantry and Cavalry Regiments, Tank Battalions, and Field Artillery and Anti Aircraft Artillery Battalions, he didn't do books on the linage of higher Divisional or Separate Brigades from the pre WWll period yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tredhed2 Posted July 8, 2015 Share #10 Posted July 8, 2015 tred, believe Sawicki's books only cover Infantry and Cavalry Regiments, Tank Battalions, and Field Artillery and Anti Aircraft Artillery Battalions, he didn't do books on the linage of higher Divisional or Separate Brigades from the pre WWll period yes? The suggestion was made to Forum members to learn about heraldry and its role in emblems found on DIs, which is contained in all the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted July 8, 2015 Share #11 Posted July 8, 2015 The suggestion was made to Forum members to learn about heraldry and its role in emblems found on DIs, which is contained in all the books. Gotta ya, I thought maybe Sawicki had other branch books that I knew nothing about. Yes you're right he covers this Heraldry aspect in detail in the APPENDIX 1 section of all his books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denfly Posted July 9, 2015 Share #12 Posted July 9, 2015 I have a number of Sawicki's books, but that means to look up DUI's individually. I was hoping to find a NY National Guard DUI listing. I have the F.A., ADA, C.A. and infantry volumes. That leaves Sig., Eng., Cav., etc. to look up elsewhere. I was hoping maybe ASMIC may have or will do a story on these variations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreers Posted January 25, 2022 Share #13 Posted January 25, 2022 Hello! What unit is this? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basic Rifleman Posted January 25, 2022 Share #14 Posted January 25, 2022 New York Guard - Military Police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreers Posted January 25, 2022 Share #15 Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Basic Rifleman said: New York Guard - Military Police. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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