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#1 BigMoose

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 02:54 AM

For the longest time, many of us have wondered about these "replacement" Arctic canteens. 8465-01-314-4284 1990 CRS Arctic Canteen

 

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They are not common. But I think I just found some documentation digging around some army sites that explains why.

 

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That about explains it. And it fits. The covers and cups I have are all from around 1996. The Canteens I have are all dated 2002 and 2004.

 

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It took them over 10 years to get this item into the hands of troops in Alaska...... and by this time the Camelback/Molle carrier was in use and well established.


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#2 BagmanL6

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 04:36 AM

Thanks for the info.  I picked up one of these a few months back with a bunch of modern stuff from a guy getting out.  No cup unfortunately.  Always wondered what the story was behind them.  Any reason for the switch from the other design you know off?  Was it to have an NBC compatible version?  



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Posted 04 February 2015 - 09:08 AM

Very cool info, the covers are pretty common but the canteens and cups are the tricky part. There are some on ebay that are pretty expensive. One day ill find one.....

#4 BigMoose

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 10:28 AM

I have seen the covers with the old style canteen hiding in them quite frequently.

 

I have three canteens, one cup, and four covers. Been lucky I guess. These are bar none the best issue canteen ever made.

 

Here is the rest of that army summary I found, it explains the perceived issued with the first Arctic canteen
 

From what I can tell, this out of some officers study guide

 

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 10:50 AM

Wow, a canteen and a cup alone sold for $114.95 on ebay.

 

A couple years back, there was a slight surge in these appearing on ebay. That is when I grabbed my stash of them. Prices were in the $30 to 40 range.

 

2001 dated Canteen, 1993 dated cup

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#6 BigMoose

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 11:02 AM

I take it back, my cup is marked 1993. I forget half the stuff I have



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Posted 04 February 2015 - 03:02 PM

Very cool! Has anyone seen a picture of these in use yet? All the ones out there seem to be new.

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 03:48 PM

DO you have any idea what the title of the publication is? I may know the guy that did the layout, and want to bug him if they did others along the same line.



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Posted 04 February 2015 - 07:05 PM

One of my canteens shows slight use, as does one of my pouches.

 

I have never ever seen a ragged out one... I am guessing that since they were issued well into the molle era that the Camelbacks quickly ran them out of service.

 

I was browsing thru random PDFs on a .mil website and found this.


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 07:19 PM

Ohh and one more thing I figured out. (Just noticed), I don't think the NBC caps on these are the originally designed cap.

 

8465-01-314-4284, 8465-01-314-4282, 8465-01-314-4286 The NSNs were established in 1988 (not 1990) The NBC cap and adapter 8465-01-364-7080 wasn't established until 1992. So I am going to guess the originally designed non nbc cap was some sort of huge plain cap of some type. By the time they actually got them issued, the non NBC cap was well forgotten by then.


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Posted 05 February 2015 - 04:19 AM

This is great information and I'll really appreciate it.  I'd assume the missing link for this item would be the original canteen cap.  Also seems that the cups are the hardest piece to find.  I don't have any pictures or proof of field use.  I do know the one I bought was in with the guy's other well used field gear.  With that said the canteen and cover are in great shape so if it was field used it was certainly not abused or used for very long.



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Posted 05 February 2015 - 10:07 AM

There is no doubt in my mind that the covers saw field use. I have one that is faded and the mouth is opened a bit for the old round Arctic canteen.

 

As for the Canteens and Cups? If they ever did, it would have been very little.



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Posted 08 February 2015 - 10:30 AM

I was issued one of these in Alaska in 2005.

The camelback system is irrelevant in Alaska winter type cold, as the tube freezes very quickly at even moderately cold temps. The standard canteens were also known to crack when frozen. These metal ones could also be unfrozen on a small stove (which is standard arctic item)

We were always told to keep these inside our ruck, less likely likely to freeze that way. Might be why a photo is hard to find.

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 11:44 AM

I was issued one of these in Alaska in 2005.

The camelback system is irrelevant in Alaska winter type cold, as the tube freezes very quickly at even moderately cold temps. The standard canteens were also known to crack when frozen. These metal ones could also be unfrozen on a small stove (which is standard arctic item)

We were always told to keep these inside our ruck, less likely likely to freeze that way. Might be why a photo is hard to find.

Thanks for the info.




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