Navy Dan Posted July 12, 2008 Share #1 Posted July 12, 2008 Hello everyone , I just got these with a bag of other insignia and just wanted to check if they are good .I looked in Wings of gold but did not see a vanguard set.These are 2 3/4 of an inch and have 13 berries on one side and 11 berries on the other and are riveted.Any opinions would be appreciated . Thanks Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Cain Posted July 12, 2008 Share #2 Posted July 12, 2008 Hi DAn, They are legit. Now the question is when were they made. If you can take a closeup picture of the post we can get a better idea. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Dan Posted July 12, 2008 Author Share #3 Posted July 12, 2008 Hi DAn, They are legit. Now the question is when were they made. If you can take a closeup picture of the post we can get a better idea. Gary Hi Gary , Thanks here is a close up of the pin I'm always unclear about the pin back or clutch back as far as wings go I always try and get the pinbacks . Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cooper Posted July 12, 2008 Share #4 Posted July 12, 2008 As far as I know these wing were only authorized from 45-47. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtA Posted July 12, 2008 Share #5 Posted July 12, 2008 As far as I know these wing were only authorized from 45-47. John John- That's my understanding also. A Vanguard wing of that period would typically have a much different hallmark. Rather than all block letters, the word "Vanguard" would be in stylized script followed by the letters "NY" in block letter format. Also, every Vanguard wing of the 1940's period I've seen has been pinback (the Navy flight surgeon wing is the most commonly encountered Vanguard wing). I have a clutchback USN/USMC paratrooper wing made by Vanguard that has the name in raised block letters with no "NY" following. I always assumed it to be 1960's period. I'm not sure, as I'd think they would have been using the V21 hallmark code by then. I'm thinking this wing was made by Vanguard well after the wing was authorized for wear. Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted July 12, 2008 Share #6 Posted July 12, 2008 Didn't the Marine Corps use enlisted navigators on cargo aircraft back in the 50s and 60s? I read an article about this somewhere. This wing may be from this time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfrost Posted July 13, 2008 Share #7 Posted July 13, 2008 I have a couple of Vanguard wings, and the hallmark is variable, including this style of just the name. I dont think that this wing has anything especially wrong with it one way or the other. IMHO. P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cooper Posted July 13, 2008 Share #8 Posted July 13, 2008 Kurt - you bring up some interesting points but unless like Meyer they made restrikes I am leaning toward what patrick posted on this. Maybe you can post the wing you mention in a seperate thread. @ Dan - do you think you can get some close ups of the front so show the details and if you can the top edge as well. Thanks John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Dan Posted July 13, 2008 Author Share #9 Posted July 13, 2008 Kurt - you bring up some interesting points but unless like Meyer they made restrikes I am leaning toward what patrick posted on this. Maybe you can post the wing you mention in a seperate thread. @ Dan - do you think you can get some close ups of the front so show the details and if you can the top edge as well. Thanks John John Here are the photos of the top and front close up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted July 13, 2008 Share #10 Posted July 13, 2008 The January - March 1989 issue of Trading Post has the article about Marine Aerial Navigators. It is about a sergeant who attended the navigation school at Cherry Point in 1959 and later served in VMR-252 on C-119s. The article shows a photo of the navigator wings, same design as the ones in the first post. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Aerial_Navigator_Badge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted July 13, 2008 Share #11 Posted July 13, 2008 http://www.pacom.mil/staff/j01p/docs/Form%...form%20Regs.pdf This is a link to a copy of the 1995 Marine Corps Uniform Regulations. It shows the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgee Posted July 13, 2008 Share #12 Posted July 13, 2008 There you have it! I met a USMC Sgt (E-5) last year that was a C-130 Aerial Navigator and he was wearing these wings. So the pair you have is legitimate and fairly current. Semper Fi.....Bobgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Dan Posted July 13, 2008 Author Share #13 Posted July 13, 2008 Thanks for everyone's help and knowledge. It now has a place with all my other Navy wings I was hoping for a WW II pair put happy just the same. Thanks Again Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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