Keith Posted January 14, 2015 Share #1 Posted January 14, 2015 Thanks for the help in identifying and dating these two Wave's items. I think the hat is fairly recent but I couldn't find anything on the cape. The hat has a tag but the cape has no ID except for the Navy buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sigsaye Posted January 14, 2015 Share #4 Posted January 14, 2015 The hat is from 1975 to current issue. The tag of the cape indicates it is something that was produced as a sample based on a specification. From 1972 to 1999, never saw anything indicating it was ever used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share #5 Posted January 15, 2015 The hat is from 1975 to current issue. The tag of the cape indicates it is something that was produced as a sample based on a specification. From 1972 to 1999, never saw anything indicating it was ever used Thanks for the response. I'm not sure if I understand or not.....the tag is in the hat and not the cape, the cape has no tags at all. I get the recent make of the hat but do you mean the cape was never an issue item? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted January 15, 2015 Share #6 Posted January 15, 2015 Never saw anything like the cape in use between '73and '99. The color (black) would put it in those dates as prior to '75, the uniforms were actually blue. The hat then is a commercial made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share #7 Posted January 15, 2015 OK Thanks, I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutiger83 Posted January 15, 2015 Share #8 Posted January 15, 2015 The buttons on the cape make it look civilian to me. I don't believe it is military. ...Kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutiger83 Posted January 15, 2015 Share #9 Posted January 15, 2015 From 1972 to 1999, never saw anything indicating it was ever used Steve, The NNC used to wear capes but I don't believe the WAVES wore them. Correct? Have women ever worn capes? I haven't seen where any women in the Navy have worn them since the NNC in WWII. Thanks, Kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share #10 Posted January 15, 2015 Perhaps I used the wrong term when I said CAPE. Actually this looks more like what I would call a FROCK. It has no collar and no sleeves. Full button front with two pockets. It looks like some kind of work related wear with the pockets being on it. However, it is wool or something along that line with a slick satin like lining that probably would need dry cleaned and not something one would wear for 'dirty' type work. Further thoughts are appreciated. Here is another and better photo. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share #11 Posted January 15, 2015 Or a SMOCK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted January 15, 2015 Share #12 Posted January 15, 2015 Ok, gotta say, I have never seen any thing like this. I can't believe this is actually anything produced by or for the Navy. They put the same buttons on civilian coats. I'm thinking this is some civilian item, not Navy Kat, to my knowledge, only the NNC had capes. Maybe WW1, but this item is way to new for WW1. None of my female Sailor buddies who go back to '72 ever saw anything like this. It does not appear in that series of books on WW2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share #13 Posted January 15, 2015 Thanks Folks. I guess what is confusing is it was paired with the hat when I bought them. If I had seen just the smock by itself I probably would have passed on it;; but with the hat? Thanks again, keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squidres Posted January 16, 2015 Share #14 Posted January 16, 2015 Guys, first off, NNC and WAVE are inappropriate for these items. They post-date the dis-establishment of the WAVES and NNC. They are simply Navy Enlisted female of fairly modern origin. The smock, looks like the "preggers" version of the foul weather gear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutiger83 Posted January 16, 2015 Share #15 Posted January 16, 2015 Guys, first off, NNC and WAVE are inappropriate for these items. They post-date the dis-establishment of the WAVES and NNC. They are simply Navy Enlisted female of fairly modern origin. The smock, looks like the "preggers" version of the foul weather gear Squidres, Thanks for joining in the search to find out what is this item. Steve and I both know that the NNC and WAVES were prior to these items. Our conversation was prior to the additional pictures when the item was described as being a cape. We were merely trying to determine when and who used capes. As for this being foul weather gear, the material for this item does not look like it would be for foul weather. It does not look water proof. Do you have a picture of the item you are describing? I have searched but do not see one. ...Kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted January 16, 2015 Share #16 Posted January 16, 2015 What Kat said?. Former Girl Friends, good friends and an active duty USN sister have made sure I know that the term WAVE was long gone ?. Sometimes it's easier to go with the terms collectors use. I'm third generation career Navy. In all my life, I never heard the terms "Tunic" or "Visor" applied to any US military uniform items until I joined this forum. But I adapted. As to the item in question, I do not believe it was ever Navy. The color is post 1975, as is the hat. There were no Maternity outer garments, and this is looking like something from the early '60s lady's wear. For a couple of years, I had 21 female Sailors working for me. They were all between 17-22 yo. ?. Yeah, they pushed the old Senior Chief trying to get away with stuff. Also had Female CO and XO who would call me on my girls. So, I spent a lot of time in the regs with them, both so I knew what was going on and so I could explain to them. Just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share #17 Posted January 16, 2015 I am considering the possibility that this sailor was assigned to facility that authorized private or local purchase of the smock to wear in their performance of duties, protecting their issued clothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted January 17, 2015 Share #18 Posted January 17, 2015 I am considering the possibility that this sailor was assigned to facility that authorized private or local purchase of the smock to wear in their performance of duties, protecting their issued clothing?. Don't think so Keith. This is some civilian thing. There is no reason to have something this "odd" looking to "protect" blues in the mid '70s" to now. There are plenty of standard issue items available. The style of this going just says '60s" civilian. The buttons are irrelevant as they are commonly used on civilian coats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share #19 Posted January 17, 2015 OK Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squidres Posted January 19, 2015 Share #20 Posted January 19, 2015 Gents, I am a current active duty Naval Officer, and have seen this before....Our pregnant women wear it on watch duty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutiger83 Posted January 20, 2015 Share #21 Posted January 20, 2015 The smock, looks like the "preggers" version of the foul weather gear Gents, I am a current active duty Naval Officer, and have seen this before....Our pregnant women wear it on watch duty... Can you please post a picture of the uniform you are talking about? This does not look like foul weather gear. The sleeves are too short and the material does not look water proof so I do not believe this could be used as a foul weather coat. From what I have been able to find, the maternity uniforms look the same as regular uniforms but are in proportion. In addition, the coats are allowed to be worn without buttoning or zipping when they no longer fit rather than having a separate maternity coat. In my many years on this earth, I have learned that men just don't notice clothes like women. Could the uniform piece you are seeing be the cardigan mentioned below? The following is from the Navy website: http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/support/uniforms/uniformregulations/chapter6/Pages/6701.aspx "Maternity uniforms are designed like corresponding primary uniforms, but proportional to fit pregnant women." OUTERGARMENTS a. Pregnant women in the Navy may wear outergarments (all-weather coat, overcoat, peacoat, reefer, sweater, black jacket, NWU parka and black fleece liner) unbuttoned or unzipped when they no longer fit properly buttoned or zipped. b. A maternity cardigan sweater is authorized for optional wear. Shirt collar is worn inside the sweater when a tie is worn and outside the sweater when no tie is worn. The addition of epaulets on the current maternity sweater has been approved. The sweater is authorized for wear outside the working space. Officers/CPOs are required to wear soft shoulder boards and E6 and below wear no insignia. E6 and below may continue to wear the maternity cardigan sweater without epaulets as long as serviceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted January 20, 2015 Share #22 Posted January 20, 2015 Ok, I just pulled up current uniform regs with photos. Not there. Looked at "more images" of maternity uniforms, not there. Went yo the Navy Exchange uniform catalogue, not there. Just sayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squidres Posted January 20, 2015 Share #23 Posted January 20, 2015 90 per cent of the gear we wear is not in the regs......most float coats, stay puff jackets, etc--the regs are very flexible.. One of my female sailors wore something very similar back in the late 90s...contrary to popular belief...many that are worn are not in the regs---shipboard some of us wore blue coveralls with float coats. The enlisted wore similar uniforms, others wore the blue foul weather coat, some wore the green, still others wore the green SWO jacket.....the joke at my last joint command was---and it was true---one room--9 different naval uniforms..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squidres Posted January 20, 2015 Share #24 Posted January 20, 2015 And oh by the way..the female hat...is current--like the last 10 years--- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted January 20, 2015 Share #25 Posted January 20, 2015 I'm well aware of how Navy uniforms work. Was full time active duty from 1972-1999. Sister is still active. While I agree the hat is current, that cape/ smock/ what ever was never Navy. At my last shore command, (1993-1997)I got all the pregnant females that were removed from ships. Never saw anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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