Misfit 45 Posted January 1, 2015 Share #1 Posted January 1, 2015 First of all Happy New Year! A year or two ago, I posted a question that had to do with the rarity of the UFH 1943 dated 1905/42 bayonet. I had been talking to a very knowledgeable bayonet friend and he said he had not seen a UC 1943 bayonet in 20-30 years. I mistakenly thought he said UFH. As a result I was publicly humiliated when I made the post since UFH 1943 bayonets are quite common (I'm kidding about the public humiliation part, I simply should have done my research first). I saw my friend a few months later and asked him about it and he said it was the UC 1943 he was talking about. So, I have been combing Ebay for at least a year and a half and have not found a single Utica (UC) 1943 long garand bayonet. I ask again, is the UC 1943 dated 1905/42 even more scarce than say, a WT 1943 of which I have seen several in the last year? It just seems odd, but nevertheless, true. I have a UC 1943 dated M1 and have seen several 1943 dated 1905-E1s. What is your experience in finding a UC 1943 1905/42 bayonet? Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain-03 Posted January 5, 2015 Share #2 Posted January 5, 2015 I am a litte lost on what you are asking?? Are you saying that UC produced bayos in 1942 and dated them 1943? How could one tell if it was produced in 1942 without it having the date of 1942 on it?? Help me understand what exactly you are asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reeder3 Posted January 5, 2015 Share #3 Posted January 5, 2015 My bayonet knowledge is a bit rusty, but I believe he is just asking how many people have seen a 16" M1 Garand bayonet made by UC and dated 1943. Iirc, 1905/42 bayonets are the WWII 16" ones. Been too long since I gave it any thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted January 5, 2015 Share #4 Posted January 5, 2015 Marv- Gary Cunningham states in his book that Utica made a total of 200,000 in 1942 and 43. Thought I had one,- nope. SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misfit 45 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share #5 Posted January 6, 2015 I guess I gave too much background info and made things too complicated. Reeder3 was correct. My question is: Have anyone of you bayonet collectors noticed that the long garand bayonet made by Utica and dated 1943 seems to be nearly impossible to find? Even more difficult to find than the scarce WT made long garand bayonets. Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tankerman Posted January 6, 2015 Share #6 Posted January 6, 2015 I am still looking for a "43 UC myself. Have all the others znd some dupes, still looking for it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted January 6, 2015 Share #7 Posted January 6, 2015 Don't quote me on this, but didn't UC start converting their M1905/1942 to the 10" M1/M1905E1 during the 1943 production period? Seems I've read that somewhere. This might account for the lack of 16" Utica blades. SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgutierrez Posted January 6, 2015 Share #8 Posted January 6, 2015 I used to have two 1943 dated UCs - one had the 16" blade and the other had a 10" blade. The 16"er I sold at the last Ohio show in November. I really didn't want to sell it but Christmas gifts don't come cheap anymore. The attached pic is of my 10" M1 UC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misfit 45 Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share #9 Posted January 7, 2015 Don't quote me on this, but didn't UC start converting their M1905/1942 to the 10" M1/M1905E1 during the 1943 production period? Seems I've read that somewhere. This might account for the lack of 16" Utica blades. SKIP In March of 1943, the order came down from on high that all the 16 inch bayonets regardless of manufacturer should be cut down to ten inches. Obviously, thousands of long Garand bayonets did not make it back to the various companies for shortening. No specific company had any more chance of having their bayonets "turned in" than any other? So why would UC have more bayonets shortened than any other companies' bayonet? I really just wondered if anyone noticed the dearth of 1943 dated UC 16 inchers. Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyrax222 Posted June 14, 2023 Share #10 Posted June 14, 2023 On 1/1/2015 at 3:47 PM, Misfit 45 said: First of all Happy New Year! A year or two ago, I posted a question that had to do with the rarity of the UFH 1943 dated 1905/42 bayonet. I had been talking to a very knowledgeable bayonet friend and he said he had not seen a UC 1943 bayonet in 20-30 years. I mistakenly thought he said UFH. As a result I was publicly humiliated when I made the post since UFH 1943 bayonets are quite common (I'm kidding about the public humiliation part, I simply should have done my research first). I saw my friend a few months later and asked him about it and he said it was the UC 1943 he was talking about. So, I have been combing Ebay for at least a year and a half and have not found a single Utica (UC) 1943 long garand bayonet. I ask again, is the UC 1943 dated 1905/42 even more scarce than say, a WT 1943 of which I have seen several in the last year? It just seems odd, but nevertheless, true. I have a UC 1943 dated M1 and have seen several 1943 dated 1905-E1s. What is your experience in finding a UC 1943 1905/42 bayonet? Marv Same exact experience! hyrax222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted June 17, 2023 Share #11 Posted June 17, 2023 Because this thread was brought back to life, I now have a Utica M1905 w/ a Detroit Gasket M3 scabbard. But, it's dated 1942, not 1943, still pleased with it. Found one today and grabbed it. SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyrax222 Posted June 17, 2023 Share #12 Posted June 17, 2023 SKIPH- Nice find! There are fewer long bayonets everyday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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