camillus Posted November 30, 2014 Share #1 Posted November 30, 2014 I don't know if this guy doesn't know what he has or can create a believable story but it is a bad one check this listing out for a lagh http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-M4-Carbine-Bayonet-Rare-Original-not-reproduction-/261678819525?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ced45e8c5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted November 30, 2014 Share #2 Posted November 30, 2014 His grandfather must have carried an M16 on D-Day. That's an M-7 Bayonet, with a screwed up 60s looking M8A1 scabbard. LOL! SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDermut99 Posted November 30, 2014 Share #3 Posted November 30, 2014 Wow...............................just wow. Army Stong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted November 30, 2014 Share #4 Posted November 30, 2014 While I know his grandfather didn't carry either of those on d'day how can you tell the difference between a plastic grip m4 bayonet and a m7 bayonet? Especially when it isnt in hand where you cant measure the length. Sorry for the stupid question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted November 30, 2014 Share #5 Posted November 30, 2014 Easy! The barrel ring has a larger opening, the back cut of the blade (just in front of the guard), has along sloping run out, not 90* like WW2 M4s, plus the pommel on an M4 is round, not flat sided like an M7. Plus M4s in WW2 had leather handles, the plastic handles were not made until the 1950s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted November 30, 2014 Share #6 Posted November 30, 2014 Easy! The barrel ring has a larger opening, the back cut of the blade (just in front of the guard), has along sloping run out, not 90* like WW2 M4s, plus the pommel on an M4 is round, not flat sided like an M7. Plus M4s in WW2 had leather handles, the plastic handles were not made until the 1950s. thank you! And I knew it wasn't from ww2 lol but I know they make some with the plastic handles similar to the m7 that's why I was curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36-tex Posted November 30, 2014 Share #7 Posted November 30, 2014 Maybe by "D-Day" he meant "Date Day" or "Dance Day." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empireguns Posted November 30, 2014 Share #8 Posted November 30, 2014 you missed that his grandfather (a Marine) somehow got in on D-day!!!! http://www.ebay.com/itm/U-S-M-C-Pack-from-WWII-/261679345997?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ced4df14d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted November 30, 2014 Share #9 Posted November 30, 2014 I see there is a new seller description note, above the old description stating it was used in Vietnam in 1968. Still no item change, to M7 Bayonet. SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camillus Posted November 30, 2014 Author Share #10 Posted November 30, 2014 maybe his grandfather was am RVA SOLDIER, I think they had the M1 carbine because the Garand was to big for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted November 30, 2014 Share #11 Posted November 30, 2014 you missed that his grandfather (a Marine) somehow got in on D-day!!!! http://www.ebay.com/itm/U-S-M-C-Pack-from-WWII-/261679345997?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ced4df14d i saw that and asked which beach he was on lol im looking forward to his response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manayunkman Posted November 30, 2014 Share #12 Posted November 30, 2014 The seller has been relisting the bayonet for several weeks lowering the price each time. This is the first time he has connected it to WW2. It almost seems to be a mistake ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camillus Posted November 30, 2014 Author Share #13 Posted November 30, 2014 something wrong with the knife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted November 30, 2014 Share #14 Posted November 30, 2014 you missed that his grandfather (a Marine) somehow got in on D-day!!!! http://www.ebay.com/itm/U-S-M-C-Pack-from-WWII-/261679345997?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ced4df14d hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted November 30, 2014 Share #15 Posted November 30, 2014 The seller has been relisting the bayonet for several weeks lowering the price each time. This is the first time he has connected it to WW2. It almost seems to be a mistake ? not a mistake... he just keeps adding to the story... i love this guys "explanations" lol claims his grandfather was a marine who was stationed with the army to fix the landing craft and too many of the landing craft crews were injured so they asked who would be willing to drive the landing craft and his grandfather volunteered, and once he got to the beach made it there and found the bayonet while leaving the beach then was shipped to the pacific and had two more tours in the pacific... when i asked about the problems with his story he kept adding until it came to that and once he stopped adding to it says "im glad you can read but the things you have read are not accurate" and "apparently you dont know your history" and my personal favorite "I was also a marine and know the facts" lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camillus Posted November 30, 2014 Author Share #16 Posted November 30, 2014 all I can say is if this guy wants to tell a believable story hes should brush up on his military history. The only marines in the D-Day invasion were ship board guards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empireguns Posted November 30, 2014 Share #17 Posted November 30, 2014 I cannot wait for the stuff he picked up when the germans bombed pearl harbor................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empireguns Posted November 30, 2014 Share #18 Posted November 30, 2014 evidence.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayonetman Posted November 30, 2014 Share #19 Posted November 30, 2014 We do laugh, and of course this story is obviously wrong. But MAYBE the seller is just repeating what he was told by his grandfather. My father was in the American Legion and I grew up around a lot of WW2 vets. Looking back, some of the stories I heard from them are obviously fabrications - probably often from those who never saw the enemy. Many years ago I was at a table at the local gun show with a friend who had a lot of military items and a sign that he was buying militaria. A guy stopped by and showed me a Colonial Jiant Jack Knife (the Navy folding knife and saw used by pilots and aircrew) and asked what I knew about it. I told him the basic facts, and he promptly told all and sundry that I was obviously an idiot who knew nothing about the knife, which his grandfather had carried in WW 1 and used the saw blade to cut down barbed wire fence posts while on raids into the German lines. Rather than get into it with him, I simply said I didn't know that and turned to someone else. I honestly think his grandfather had told him the story and he really believed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted November 30, 2014 Share #20 Posted November 30, 2014 We do laugh, and of course this story is obviously wrong. But MAYBE the seller is just repeating what he was told by his grandfather. My father was in the American Legion and I grew up around a lot of WW2 vets. Looking back, some of the stories I heard from them are obviously fabrications - probably often from those who never saw the enemy. Many years ago I was at a table at the local gun show with a friend who had a lot of military items and a sign that he was buying militaria. A guy stopped by and showed me a Colonial Jiant Jack Knife (the Navy folding knife and saw used by pilots and aircrew) and asked what I knew about it. I told him the basic facts, and he promptly told all and sundry that I was obviously an idiot who knew nothing about the knife, which his grandfather had carried in WW 1 and used the saw blade to cut down barbed wire fence posts while on raids into the German lines. Rather than get into it with him, I simply said I didn't know that and turned to someone else. I honestly think his grandfather had told him the story and he really believed it. when I said ive never read of any marines on the beaches (i never said he was wrong or didnt know i was just asking questions based on real events... and where he heard this, this was his response... doesnt seem like he was told the wrong story lol more like he is making it up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camillus Posted November 30, 2014 Author Share #21 Posted November 30, 2014 that is interesting and does make sense, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted November 30, 2014 Share #22 Posted November 30, 2014 The Forum may enjoy Bruce Canfield's article 'The "I vividly remember something that never happened" Syndrome' parts 1, 2 & 3 at the end of the bottom of this webpage:http://www.brucecanfield.com/cc-article.html Laughing "uncontrollably"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactroop Posted December 1, 2014 Share #23 Posted December 1, 2014 Lost inside all this is the minor fact that production of the M4 bayonet, (if we happened to be looking at one), started in July of 1944. Even the sellers amended comment about the bayonet being carried by a family member in Vietnam in 1968 is problematic with it's radiused back cut of the formed edge. It's been my experience that Government contracted M7's during the 1960's have near 90˚ back cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Trzaska Posted December 2, 2014 Share #24 Posted December 2, 2014 The Forum may enjoy Bruce Canfield's article 'The "I vividly remember something that never happened" Syndrome' parts 1, 2 & 3 at the end of the bottom of this webpage: http://www.brucecanfield.com/cc-article.html Laughing "uncontrollably"... Bruce is so correct! It happens to me all the time, KABARS made in the 1980's that were supposedly carried on Iwo Jima by the flag raisers and brought home by and Uncle who never told a lie. It is amazing that they are true believers, even when you tell them the facts. All the best Frank Trzaska Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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