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The Nurenburg War trials patch

 

Special thanks to Morty for this comparison. For an original bullion patch you will pay thousands of dollars. However, for $85-125 you can find a patch king version for your collection which is the next best thing. Just know that originals that were worn were theatre made and the swastika would be very visible on the insignia.

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/3812-what-to-watch-for-examples-of-fakereproduction-patches/?hl=%2Bmission+%2Bmoscow+%2Bpatch&do=findComment&comment=20762

 

 

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The WW2 Jingpaw Ranger patches. Do you know which one was actually worn between these two?

 

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Special thanks to our resident guru on this unit Tonomachi

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/3812-what-to-watch-for-examples-of-fakereproduction-patches/page-2?hl=+mission%20+moscow%20+patch

 

 

Be advisted, that old_club_badges out of england is now selling a repro (this past year) of how the original one actually looked with the drop down "G"

 

As seen in this photo below with the red background

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In the past week I have seen 4-5 of these cut out like this being sold by itself or put into patch groupings. ]

 

Same as the observer tab, these have been cut out and were not worn like this.

 

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Note: You will never see more than a 1/4" of blue above the observer in the tabs being sold! Reason is, that is all that is there!!

 

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Gear411 is selling these patches. Again, these "test samples" are not even WW2. The backs are not even cotton.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/152077926046?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

 

Do not waste your money.

 

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They are selling other variations of insignia that I did not post examples of.

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NOT that I would consider a bid on any of his stuff just from seeing it but Thank You for keeping on top of stuff like this for others on the forum who may be new to patch collecting and might be tempted to bid on this JUNK.

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I told gear411 that those patches were made within the past 20 years from a guy in New Jersey and he responded with "Thanks for the information. Do you know who the guy was? I figured that with the type of thread material and embroidery, that they were made between 1990 and 2000. Regards, gear411"

 

 

What really gets me is when people know that it is new but they sell in the WW2 original category. But, no where in the listing did it say it was WW2 or original. Nor did he admit that it was a recent made patch either.

 

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Frustrating. If I ever sell something bogus on ebay please call me out.

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Gunslinger writes http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/271392-wwii-paratroops-overseas-cap-patch/

 

After seeing many of these patches come to the market in the recent months and being sold by militaria dealers as Original WWII Paratroopers Overseas Cap Patches, I've decided to make an informative post to help other members on the forum as to the correct id of these items posted below.

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First and foremost, these parachute qualification badges are not of World War II era but instead are post 1948 - 1950's era. The skill-at-arms badge is of British origin and known as the "light bulb" due to it's shape of the parachute. The badge was awarded to parachute trained and or qualified personnel serving in a non airborne role. The background colors denote the unit of service the trained parachutist is assigned. These are worn on the lower sleeve of British Mess Dress. The badges are found in either gold or silver bullion on several different color backgrounds.

Here's a transcript from the Imperial War Museum description: It is a skill-at-arms badge worn to denote personnel who have passed through a Parachute Training School (four training jumps) but are not regular parachute troops or instructors, and have not been called for operational duties. ACI 995/1948 clarified the qualification as being for those with parachute training but not eligible for the award of parachute brevet (wings)

I will say that i don't believe the militaria dealer who has these for sale is trying mislead anyone but instead an simple oversight and error in identification of the items. Use the information I've provided as you see fit.

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The WW2 1st FSSF oval should only look like this

 

 

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Photo credit: Bill Scott "Rarepatchman"

 

 

Anything else is completely wrong

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/264965-a-1st-special-service-force-oval-on-ebay/

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/271168-fssf-officers-uniform/

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Know that these exist. From Badges of Honor Military Aviation. These are new reproductions.

 

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I personally think the 354th TFS patch is real. That patch along with the 58th Fighter Squadron patch used in the series look like they were used because they were available at the time. Neither match any of the other squadron patches in the series as all of the other ones were done by a single manufacturer and are obvious repros. These, not so much. Just my personal opinion, of course.

 

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I personally think the 354th TFS patch is real. That patch along with the 58th Fighter Squadron patch used in the series look like they were used because they were available at the time. Neither match any of the other squadron patches in the series as all of the other ones were done by a single manufacturer and are obvious repros. These, not so much. Just my personal opinion, of course.

 

-Ski

 

 

Original 354th TFS ones are done on blue or white twill, not the khaki base these use. While all these are made the old fashioned way on Swiss loom machines, they are all of recent manufacture and were not used by any units. The 58th TFS is also recent. Not trying to be disagreeable; this is based on 3+ decades of collecting fighter patches. Late 70s original shown.

 

Randy

 

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B-3 squadron patches from the 1980's a cautionary tale out of England. If you have or are willing to post scans of yours that fall under this category please post them in the below links.

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/297542-a-ww2-era-383rd-fighter-squadron-patch/

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/219631-531st-bomb-squadron-patch/?hl=antique

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The VF-1 Screaming Chicken Hollywood fantasy patch from the film "Top Gun". Still advertised here and there as the USN VF-1 WOLFPACK fighter squadron

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I remember this "top Gun" patch, one of the model aircraft companies, I think it was Revell, had a promotion when the movie came out. You could send away for this, the sundowners patch and the top gun patch,

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This patch is sometimes seen being sold as an unauthorized version of the US USMC 2nd Division insignia. It is ACTUALLY for the 2nd Filipino Infantry Division.

 

The unit was active from 1936 - April 09, 1942 (as 2nd Regular Division, PCA)
May 07, 1942 - June 30, 1946 (as 2nd Infantry Division, PCA)
March 19, 1976 - Present

 

 

Wiki link

 

 

 

The image of the patch shown does not glow at all as it could have been made in the 1940s through early 1960s. I recently just sold two, while both did not glow, one appeared to have return threads more of white cotton and the other rayon. I have been told that the insignia has been previously wrongly attributed to the US USMC 2nd Division insignia unauthorized in past books. However, we can assure you that it is for the 2nd Filipino Infantry Division.

 

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The VF-1 Screaming Chicken Hollywood fantasy patch from the film "Top Gun". Still advertised here and there as the USN VF-1 WOLFPACK fighter squadron

 

All these years, I never knew this wasn't a real patch. And I have always been a fan of that movie.

But then again, I've never been a big fan of Navy insignia, either...

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OSS patch vs Marston patch.

 

The original was only fully embroidered. In the 1970s at an ASMIC convention in DC a bunch of the Marston patches showed up.

 

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http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/255976-oss-patch/

http://www.insigne.org/OSS-summary.htm

 

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/301192-oss-patch/

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The VF-1 Screaming Chicken Hollywood fantasy patch from the film "Top Gun". Still advertised here and there as the USN VF-1 WOLFPACK fighter squadron

 

Top Gun Part Deux

 

Fantasy VF-1 WOLFPACK fighter squadron and the very real Carrier Airborne Early Warning Squadron 110 (VAW-110) FIREBIRDS

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http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/308417-ww2-hawaii-rifles-patch-ssi/

 

 

This patch has been wrongly identified as a Hawaiian Coastal Defense unit in the past. Several times it has been tried to be cleared up on this forum as the Hawaii Rifles insignia for what it really is. I wanted to merge the handful of attempts and add some more photo evidence.

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Vosooktrading, kialokalewa, and Steverino (Patch Johnson) have already stated this

http://www.usmilitar...les#entry623287

http://www.usmilitar...les#entry572140

In one of the threads above, kialokalewa added with this photo

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I have seen this patch pop up in military lots from time to time. Often, the border is eaten by moths. The attached photo of the leaflet that came with the mailer makes Cpt Midnight apart of the Secret Squadron...and to be worn as a shoulder patch. 

 

It is for the kids tv show Captain Midnight, hence the clock hand pointing up to 12...midnight. 

 

From 1943. Nothing to do with the US Military, home front, air depots, or war effort. Just a cool trinket from a tv show that inspired many kids to join the military and do cool stuff. 

 

 

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