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Model of 1917 Rifle

Started by BlackJoker , Oct 25 2014 09:56 AM

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#1 BlackJoker

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Posted 25 October 2014 - 09:56 AM

Hello everyone!

I present to you my rifle Model of 1917. It's a Remington made, February 1918. 

 

the rifle butt has written: 

 

N.S.T.C.

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C.O.T.C.
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191

 

The only information I have are these:

 

N.S.T.C. National Service Training Command

C.O.T.C. Canadian Officers Training Corps

 

Then after the Great War, it was used as a center of education Canadian relief for officers, but the 191 is what you identify? the number of the company or regiment? Or it could be the "rack number"?

 

 
 

 

 

 

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#2 Dogface72

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 03:58 PM

Very nice I have not seen one with the Canadian markings on the barrel.  



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Posted 11 November 2014 - 12:47 PM

The markings on the barrel are modern German firing proofs.



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Posted 12 November 2014 - 04:53 PM

Promo -

 

School us please.  I'm ignorant.



#5 BlackJoker

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 11:17 AM

The markings on the barrel are modern German firing proofs.

What do you mean? Those near 2AB ?

 

it is possible that he began his civilian life in Germany?



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Posted 16 December 2014 - 01:39 PM

Sorry, haven't been here for a long time. The eagle is the German sign for Nitro powder, the flag is the symbol of the firing proof house in Mellrichstadt, Germany (there are seven firing proof houses in Germany).

 

The "2AB" means when the firing proof was done. The "2" refers to the month, while the letters are coded for the years as follows:

A = 0
B = 1
C = 2
D = 3
E = 4
F = 5
G = 6
H = 7
I = 8
K = 9

 

This means that 2AB equals February 01, referring to 2001.



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 03:58 PM

Any idea/theory as to why these were in Germany?  Post-War issue for police, like the M1 Carbine?  I'm being serious, I think the M1917 was issued to Dutch units during WWII.... but there isn't much literature out there because they were just looked over after 1918.  



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Posted 21 December 2014 - 12:04 PM

Can you add a picture of the front sight? Or is it a blade, or a pin? Danish gunsmiths sometimes changed the front sight to a pin.

 

I currently don't have the totals in my mind, but I believe it was around 30.000 M1917 rifles, which were given to Denmark after WWII from Canada. Some were first given to Norway, then later passed on to Denmark. Common thing is, they were from Canada and many of them still had the markings on it. So my suggestion is, that it's probably one of these since big German dealers purchased large quantities of these rifles from Denmark and sold them to shooters in Germany. If there is somewhere a "HEGE" or "FWW" (written top to bottom) marking on the rifle, it was sold off by large German dealers.

 

If not, it could also be someone in Germany had it. And for not being a collector or a dealer, you need to have a firing proof on your rifle.



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Posted 21 December 2014 - 03:23 PM

Is it all Remington parts rifle?

Is the bolt marked "R" also?

Many of these you find are mixmasters.



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Posted 10 August 2017 - 06:53 AM

At a distance of a long time, I reply apologizing for the long delay.

In short I will post some photos of some markings presents on the top of the receiver, To ask if you know which country they belonged to.

 

I'm sorry but I have some problem to post image... :unsure:



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Posted 10 August 2017 - 07:04 AM

There are markings both on the receiver and on the back to the right of the bolt.

 

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 01:39 AM

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 01:40 AM

Does anyone knows who they marks  belong?



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Posted 11 August 2017 - 07:05 AM

The bolt has the same serial number of the receiver, it's marked with a little ''E'' and a big ''W''. Maybe it's made by Eddyston, and repair by Winchester?

 

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 08:41 AM

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 02:21 AM

Could be the Eagles Head Inspection Mark ?



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 07:19 AM

eagles head is inspectors marks. you may have a rebuilt item which is very common on ww1-2 guns.



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 02:19 AM

Thanks for your reply. What can you tell me about this mark under the barrel?

 

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I add a pic of the front sight, it's a pin. So was it altered during his civil life?

 

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 02:24 AM

The stock is still made by Remington.

 

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 12:53 PM

With regard to your front sight, the Danes were known for that style front sight blade.



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 01:49 PM

With regard to your front sight, the Danes were known for that style front sight blade.

 

Thanks for your reply. This should say that this rifle has served in Denmark after the WW2, and later was exported to germany. In the end, come to Italy. Could be right?



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Posted 14 August 2017 - 10:05 AM

That is possible (maybe even likely), but it is also possible that a civilian owner somewhere along the line may have changed or replaced the front sight blade to the unit currently installed if it was the only one he or she could find locally. 


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#23 BlackJoker

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 11:54 AM

That is possible (maybe even likely), but it is also possible that a civilian owner somewhere along the line may have changed or replaced the front sight blade to the unit currently installed if it was the only one he or she could find locally. 

 

Understood, so there are the same possibilities. You can tell me what these numbers refer to the right of the receiver?

 

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 09:23 AM

I'm afraid I have no idea what that four digit number is. 



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Posted 16 September 2017 - 01:13 PM

Does anyone know which Carry Case is in use for this rifle in WW1 and in WW2 ? I suppose it was different to 1903 and SMLE \ Mk4 cary case...'17 is too long..- :lol:




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